• VFR800 tripmeter keypad won't work

    From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 10 01:11:40 2017
    My 98 vfr800's tripmeter keys no longer work reliably.
    Sometimes, after much pushing, something registers.
    Firmly, gently, quickly, slowly, the buttons do or
    (mostly) don't register the presses.

    The keys feel like they're flexible rubber, probably with
    a conductive pad that makes contacts on a circuit board.
    Mechanically they feel basically ok.
    Does anybody know if it's possible to open up the keypad
    and clean the contacts?

    Thanks for reading!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Mark Olson@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Tue Oct 10 11:35:53 2017
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    My 98 vfr800's tripmeter keys no longer work reliably.
    Sometimes, after much pushing, something registers.
    Firmly, gently, quickly, slowly, the buttons do or
    (mostly) don't register the presses.

    The keys feel like they're flexible rubber, probably with
    a conductive pad that makes contacts on a circuit board.
    Mechanically they feel basically ok.
    Does anybody know if it's possible to open up the keypad
    and clean the contacts?

    I have successfully cleaned similar keyboards on remote controls a few
    times. No idea whether the VFR800 instrument panel is easy or difficult
    to disassemble for cleaning, but if it were mine I would attempt it.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to Mark Olson on Thu Oct 12 01:44:56 2017
    Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    My 98 vfr800's tripmeter keys no longer work reliably.
    Sometimes, after much pushing, something registers.
    Firmly, gently, quickly, slowly, the buttons do or
    (mostly) don't register the presses.

    The keys feel like they're flexible rubber, probably with
    a conductive pad that makes contacts on a circuit board.
    Mechanically they feel basically ok.
    Does anybody know if it's possible to open up the keypad
    and clean the contacts?

    I have successfully cleaned similar keyboards on remote controls a few
    times.
    Same here....

    No idea whether the VFR800 instrument panel is easy or difficult
    to disassemble for cleaning, but if it were mine I would attempt it.

    Aye, there's the rub. I wouldn't mind taking the dash apart if I knew
    the keypad could be (reversibly) disassembled.

    On a whim I just looked at http://www.servicehonda.com/oemparts/a/hon/506c2b0cf870023420a30f30/speedometer

    If the drawing is representative of fact, the switches aren't the sort of rubber pads I expected, but rather standalone switches mounted on the board. It's unclear if that augurs well or ill for my enterprise but I fear ill.

    No price for the LCD given, so it's NLA. I'll wait a bit to see if anybody chimes in with more information.

    Thanks for posting!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Agaric@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Wed Oct 11 22:31:21 2017
    On 10/11/2017 06:44 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    On a whim I just looked at http://www.servicehonda.com/oemparts/a/hon/506c2b0cf870023420a30f30/speedometer

    ...

    No price for the LCD given, so it's NLA. I'll wait a bit to see if anybody chimes in with more information.

    Thanks for posting!

    bob prohaska

    I added the part to my shopping cart here

    <https://thumpertalk.com/shop/oem.php?manufacturer=1&part=37230-MBG-671>

    Just $434.31

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  • From Mark Olson@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Thu Oct 12 11:39:46 2017
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    Aye, there's the rub. I wouldn't mind taking the dash apart if I knew
    the keypad could be (reversibly) disassembled.

    On a whim I just looked at http://www.servicehonda.com/oemparts/a/hon/506c2b0cf870023420a30f30/speedometer

    If the drawing is representative of fact, the switches aren't the sort of rubber pads I expected, but rather standalone switches mounted on the board. It's unclear if that augurs well or ill for my enterprise but I fear ill.

    No price for the LCD given, so it's NLA. I'll wait a bit to see if anybody chimes in with more information.

    I would actually be encouraged by that drawing. It clearly shows
    two miniature mechanical switches soldered to the printed circuit
    board. Since #16 was made to be a replaceable part, it should be
    relatively easy to remove it, and replace those switches. Sure,
    you'll have to find a suitable part, but Digi-Key should have an
    exact-fit replacement, for not more than a buck or two each. Their
    website is right up there along with McMaster-Carr for ease of use
    in part selection.

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to Agaric on Sun Oct 15 00:46:31 2017
    Agaric <3ember@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/11/2017 06:44 PM, bob prohaska wrote:

    On a whim I just looked at
    http://www.servicehonda.com/oemparts/a/hon/506c2b0cf870023420a30f30/speedometer

    ...

    No price for the LCD given, so it's NLA. I'll wait a bit to see if anybody >> chimes in with more information.

    Thanks for posting!

    bob prohaska

    I added the part to my shopping cart here

    <https://thumpertalk.com/shop/oem.php?manufacturer=1&part=37230-MBG-671>

    Just $434.31


    For that kind of money I'll carry a notepad and do the math!

    8-)

    bob prohaska

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to Mark Olson on Sun Oct 15 00:49:37 2017
    Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

    I would actually be encouraged by that drawing. It clearly shows
    two miniature mechanical switches soldered to the printed circuit
    board. Since #16 was made to be a replaceable part, it should be
    relatively easy to remove it, and replace those switches. Sure,
    you'll have to find a suitable part, but Digi-Key should have an
    exact-fit replacement, for not more than a buck or two each. Their
    website is right up there along with McMaster-Carr for ease of use
    in part selection.


    Perhaps you're right. It'd be more complicated that just cleaning
    a conductive rubber mat and a circuitboard, but in the worst case
    wires could be soldered to a switch that didn't quite fit. I'm
    still hesitant to take the dash apart, but am warming up to the
    idea.

    Thanks for posting!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Mark Olson@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Sun Oct 15 13:48:04 2017
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    Mark Olson <olsonm@tiny.invalid> wrote:

    I would actually be encouraged by that drawing. It clearly shows
    two miniature mechanical switches soldered to the printed circuit
    board. Since #16 was made to be a replaceable part, it should be
    relatively easy to remove it, and replace those switches. Sure,
    you'll have to find a suitable part, but Digi-Key should have an
    exact-fit replacement, for not more than a buck or two each. Their
    website is right up there along with McMaster-Carr for ease of use
    in part selection.


    Perhaps you're right. It'd be more complicated that just cleaning
    a conductive rubber mat and a circuitboard, but in the worst case
    wires could be soldered to a switch that didn't quite fit. I'm
    still hesitant to take the dash apart, but am warming up to the
    idea.

    I'm fairly confident that you should be able to find exact fit
    replacements. Worst case is you have to improvise or modify, but since
    there are literally dozens if not hundreds of those types of switches
    on Digi-Key, the chances are very good you'll find one that matches
    the footprint and the height. Even if you have to get one that's a
    different height to match the footprint, you can shave some off the
    tip or drop a blob of J-B Weld on the plunger to build it up.

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