• well California this is bold Bill 1346

    From john@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 13 10:14:28 2021
    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....

    while politicians publicly state this is for lawn care stuff, the law is written so it can regulate dirt bikes ATV/UTV as well.... <sigh>

    john


    Assembly Bill No. 1346
    CHAPTER 753

    An act to add Section 43018.11 to the Health and Safety Code, relating
    to air pollution.

    [ Approved by Governor October 09, 2021. Filed with Secretary of State
    October 09, 2021. ]

    LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

    AB 1346, Berman. Air pollution: small off-road engines.
    Existing law imposes various limitations on the emissions of air
    contaminants for the control of air pollution from vehicular and
    nonvehicular sources. Existing law assigns the responsibility for
    controlling vehicular sources of air pollution to the State Air
    Resources Board.
    This bill would require the state board, by July 1, 2022, consistent
    with federal law, to adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from
    new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. The bill
    would require the state board to identify and, to the extent feasible,
    make available funding for commercial rebates or similar incentive
    funding as part of any updates to existing applicable funding program guidelines to local air pollution control districts and air quality
    management districts to implement to support the transition to
    zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.
    DIGEST KEY
    Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local
    Program: no
    BILL TEXT
    THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

    SECTION 1. (a) The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:
    (1) Small off-road engines (SORE), which are used primarily in lawn and
    garden equipment, emit high levels of air pollutants, including oxides
    of nitrogen (NOx), reactive organic gases (ROG), and particulate matter
    (PM). NOx and ROG together contribute to formation of ozone, a criteria pollutant with a national ambient air quality standard set by the United
    States Environmental Protection Agency (U.S. EPA) and a California
    ambient air quality standard and that has adverse impacts on health.
    Currently, California exceeds U.S. EPA and state standards for ozone in
    many areas, including the South Coast Air Basin, the San Francisco Bay
    area, and the County of Sacramento. NOx also contributes to formation of
    PM, which, along with directly emitted PM, has direct negative health
    impacts. PM also has an air quality standard set by the U.S. EPA and the
    state. Many areas in California also currently fail to meet PM
    standards, including the South Coast Air Basin and the San Joaquin
    Valley Air Basin.
    (2) In 2020, California daily NOx and ROG emissions from SORE were
    higher than emissions from light-duty passenger cars. SORE emitted an
    average of 16.8 tons per day of NOx and 125 tons per day of ROG. Without further regulatory action, those emission levels are expected to
    increase with increasing numbers of SORE in California. Regulations of emissions from SORE have not been as stringent as regulations of other
    engines, and one hour of operation of a commercial leaf blower can emit
    as much ROG plus NOx as driving 1,100 miles in a new passenger vehicle.
    (3) Currently, there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment regulated by the State Air Resources Board. The battery technology
    required for commercial-grade zero-emission equipment is available and
    many users, both commercial and residential, have already begun to
    transition to zero-emission equipment.
    (4) The Governor’s Executive Order No. N-79-20 of September 23, 2020,
    directs the state board to implement strategies to achieve 100 percent
    zero emissions from off-road equipment in California by 2035, where
    feasible and cost-effective. The state will not achieve that goal
    without further regulation of SORE, including a mandate to transition
    all sales of new equipment to zero-emission equipment.
    (b) It is the intent of the Legislature to encourage the state board to
    act expeditiously to protect public health from the harmful effects of emissions of small off-road engines.
    SEC. 2. Section 43018.11 is added to the Health and Safety Code, to read: 43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent
    with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible
    regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from
    new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those
    regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024,
    or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later.
    (2) In determining technological feasibility pursuant to paragraph (1),
    the state board shall consider all of the following:
    (A) Emissions from small off-road engines in the state.
    (B) Expected timelines for zero-emission small off-road equipment
    development.
    (C) Increased demand for electricity from added charging requirements
    for more zero-emission small off-road equipment.
    (D) Use cases of both commercial and residential lawn and garden users.
    (E) Expected availability of zero-emission generators and emergency
    response equipment.
    (b) Consistent with the regulations adopted pursuant to this section and relevant state law, the state board shall identify, and, to the extent feasible, make available, funding for commercial rebates or similar
    incentive funding as part of any updates to existing, applicable funding program guidelines for districts to implement to support the transition
    to zero-emission small off-road equipment operations.

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  • From Michael Sturdevant@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 13 08:57:47 2021
    john reports:

    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....

    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will be one of the happiest days of my life.
    Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc. I'd like a decel (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
    change with wheel speed. Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more until a control command (pick up
    the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake now. It's the perfect application with current
    batteries too. A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final 6-7. Total 20 minutes max.

    And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
    hours. I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
    speed. I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop at lunch.

    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.

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  • From Volker Bartheld@21:1/5 to Michael Sturdevant on Wed Oct 13 18:02:15 2021
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:
    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will
    be one of the happiest days of my life.
    [snip technical details I didn't understand]

    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html

    Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
    Volker

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  • From john@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Wed Oct 13 14:08:45 2021
    On 10/13/2021 1:16 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/13/2021 08:57 AM, Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:

    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE
    equipment.....

    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app
    will be one of the happiest days of my life.
    Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc.  I'd like a decel
    (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
    change with wheel speed.  Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more
    until a control command (pick up
    the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake
    now. It's the perfect application with current
    batteries too.  A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final
    6-7. Total 20 minutes max.

    Kalifornia already has tiered off-road licensure for dirtbikes.  Can't remember the details, but they limit 2-strokes in some way at two
    different levels.

    What most bothers me about electrics is that you can't do the equivalent
    of walking to a gas station to buy a gallon or begging a gallon from a passing stranger or guy parked at the boat landing.  What DO you do if
    you inadvertently run out of battery in the backwoods or deserted road
    or even busy highway?  Pull out your trusty solar array and eat lunch
    while you wait?  What if it's dark?

    until they adopt quick swap battery packs like cordless drills this will greatly limit practically.


    And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride
    freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
    hours.  I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close
    already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
    speed.  I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop
    at lunch.

    i'd love a dual sport electric bike with 150-250 mile range at a
    reasonable cost. that way i could go out for an hour or so then come
    back without need of recharge.



    Make sure you stop at the Primm outlets.  You can't afford NOT to!
    Daughter assures me that the Levi's prices are good, although the
    busload of Taiwanese summer students seemed to be stocking up on Michael
    Kors and Coach.

    https://www.primmnevada.net/primm-outlets.php



    Barstow to Vegas would be fun, although i'd rather not revisit Ft.
    Irwin... spent some time there in the 90's some memories good, some not
    so good..
    john

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Michael Sturdevant on Wed Oct 13 10:16:09 2021
    On 10/13/2021 08:57 AM, Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:

    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....

    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will be one of the happiest days of my life.
    Dial in accel rate, jerk rate, decel braking, etc. I'd like a decel (entering the corner) curve to make regen braking
    change with wheel speed. Lowish when high wheel speed and gently more until a control command (pick up
    the throttle) , same as how I do it with my foot on the back brake now. It's the perfect application with current
    batteries too. A practice lasts 3-4 minutes, heat race 4-5, final 6-7. Total 20 minutes max.

    Kalifornia already has tiered off-road licensure for dirtbikes. Can't
    remember the details, but they limit 2-strokes in some way at two
    different levels.

    What most bothers me about electrics is that you can't do the equivalent
    of walking to a gas station to buy a gallon or begging a gallon from a
    passing stranger or guy parked at the boat landing. What DO you do if
    you inadvertently run out of battery in the backwoods or deserted road
    or even busy highway? Pull out your trusty solar array and eat lunch
    while you wait? What if it's dark?

    And if battery tech improves just a little bit more I could ride freakin anywhere I want to poach for a couple
    hours. I think 45 minutes may be max right now so getting close already. Perfect would be 4 hours at pretty good
    speed. I could do LA-Barstow to Vegas dual sport with a charge stop at lunch.

    Make sure you stop at the Primm outlets. You can't afford NOT to!
    Daughter assures me that the Levi's prices are good, although the
    busload of Taiwanese summer students seemed to be stocking up on Michael
    Kors and Coach.

    https://www.primmnevada.net/primm-outlets.php

    --
    Cheers, Bev
    Warning -- Driver carries less than $20 worth of ammunition

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Volker Bartheld on Wed Oct 13 10:20:49 2021
    On 10/13/2021 09:02 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:
    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment..... >> The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will
    be one of the happiest days of my life.
    [snip technical details I didn't understand]

    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html

    Go fast, not far. Ride electric.

    They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.
    I'm sure that was just an oversight...

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  • From Volker Bartheld@21:1/5 to The Real Bev on Thu Oct 14 10:17:37 2021
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:20:49 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/13/2021 09:02 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:
    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will >>> be one of the happiest days of my life.
    [snip technical details I didn't understand]
    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html
    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html >> Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
    They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.

    According to my tests, the battery will be good for probably 15-20
    minutes of MX and 30-40 minutes of casual enduro riding.

    I'm sure that was just an oversight...

    As much of an oversight as the running time/distance in gas powered
    vehicles. Or is anyone seriously believing the values derived from the
    NEFZ directive 70/220/EWG? E. g. that the Mercedes E 300 de is supposed
    to have a mileage of 1.6L/100km (14.7MPG)? NB: We're talking about this
    pile of metal:

    http://die-autotester.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020_E-Klasse_PHEV_T-Modell_100km_Test_IMG_0894.jpg

    My anachronistic KTM has a capacity of ~9 liters and it consumes
    anything between 4 and 15 liters per hour or per 100km, whatever you
    choose.

    I think those electric KTMs are good for what they are, it's as good as
    it can get with modern Lithium technology and it's probably more than
    would be necessary for the type of MX and enduro riding I do. Point is
    that I don't need another motorcycle and the quite hefty price point of
    the Freeride E. Electric mobility does not suit people who want to keep
    going for an entire day with only miniscule refuel stops. And it never
    will be. The chemical energy liberated by burning $STUFF can't be
    beaten. Unless you prefer a nuclear drive in your scoot.

    Volker

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  • From The Real Bev@21:1/5 to Volker Bartheld on Thu Oct 14 22:17:01 2021
    On 10/14/2021 01:17 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 10:20:49 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
    On 10/13/2021 09:02 AM, Volker Bartheld wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), Michael Sturdevant wrote:
    john reports:
    3. Currently there are zero-emission equivalents to all SORE equipment.....
    The day I can buy an electric dirt tracker with a motor control app will >>>> be one of the happiest days of my life.
    [snip technical details I didn't understand]
    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/mx/ktm-sx-e-5-2022.html
    https://www.ktm.com/en-us/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2022.html >>> Go fast, not far. Ride electric.
    They seemed curiously reticent about the actual running time/distance.

    According to my tests, the battery will be good for probably 15-20
    minutes of MX and 30-40 minutes of casual enduro riding.

    That's all right, then. I thought it might be something ridiculous...

    I'm sure that was just an oversight...

    As much of an oversight as the running time/distance in gas powered
    vehicles. Or is anyone seriously believing the values derived from the
    NEFZ directive 70/220/EWG? E. g. that the Mercedes E 300 de is supposed
    to have a mileage of 1.6L/100km (14.7MPG)? NB: We're talking about this
    pile of metal:

    http://die-autotester.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020_E-Klasse_PHEV_T-Modell_100km_Test_IMG_0894.jpg

    I remember when all cars looked DIFFERENT. This one doesn't.

    My anachronistic KTM has a capacity of ~9 liters and it consumes
    anything between 4 and 15 liters per hour or per 100km, whatever you
    choose.

    I think those electric KTMs are good for what they are, it's as good as
    it can get with modern Lithium technology and it's probably more than
    would be necessary for the type of MX and enduro riding I do. Point is
    that I don't need another motorcycle and the quite hefty price point of
    the Freeride E. Electric mobility does not suit people who want to keep
    going for an entire day with only miniscule refuel stops. And it never
    will be. The chemical energy liberated by burning $STUFF can't be
    beaten. Unless you prefer a nuclear drive in your scoot.

    Hubby rode a 65cc Honda back and forth to work 1966-1977-- maybe 1/4
    mile away. Hot plugs to keep from fouling. He may have only filled the
    tank once or twice...


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    A man's got to know his limitations.
    It's a woman's duty to make sure of this.

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