• S-Scale New Locomotives/cars & Vintage Track?

    From Fizzbin@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 17:28:52 2017
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Mon Feb 13 17:48:00 2017
    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Tue Feb 28 11:38:19 2017
    On 2017-02-28 11:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.

    What is the cheapest transformer I can get away with? I read that new
    locos that are made for AC will also work with DC. Can I get use a
    Bachman 6607 trasnformer for example?

    If it puts out enough power, yes. Modern DC motors draw up to 0.4 amps
    at 12-16 volts, depending on load. Check the transformer's specs. Output
    is listed in volts DC and amps, sometimes as milliamps. E.g., 800
    milliamps -> 0.8 amps.

    BTW, the new locos are actually have DC motors plus electronics
    (rectifiers) that convert AC to DC.

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    Wolf K
    https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com
    It's called "opinion" because it's not knowledge.

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  • From Fizzbin@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Tue Feb 28 11:28:57 2017
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.

    What is the cheapest transformer I can get away with? I read that new
    locos that are made for AC will also work with DC. Can I get use a
    Bachman 6607 trasnformer for example?

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  • From Fizzbin@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Tue Feb 28 14:40:58 2017
    On 2017-02-28 16:38:19 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-28 11:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.

    What is the cheapest transformer I can get away with? I read that new
    locos that are made for AC will also work with DC. Can I get use a
    Bachman 6607 trasnformer for example?

    If it puts out enough power, yes. Modern DC motors draw up to 0.4 amps
    at 12-16 volts, depending on load. Check the transformer's specs.
    Output is listed in volts DC and amps, sometimes as milliamps. E.g.,
    800 milliamps -> 0.8 amps.

    BTW, the new locos are actually have DC motors plus electronics
    (rectifiers) that convert AC to DC.


    Do S-scale motors tend to draw more amps?

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Tue Feb 28 21:55:23 2017
    On 2017-02-28 14:40, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-28 16:38:19 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-28 11:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.

    What is the cheapest transformer I can get away with? I read that new
    locos that are made for AC will also work with DC. Can I get use a
    Bachman 6607 trasnformer for example?

    If it puts out enough power, yes. Modern DC motors draw up to 0.4 amps
    at 12-16 volts, depending on load. Check the transformer's specs.
    Output is listed in volts DC and amps, sometimes as milliamps. E.g.,
    800 milliamps -> 0.8 amps.

    BTW, the new locos are actually have DC motors plus electronics
    (rectifiers) that convert AC to DC.


    Do S-scale motors tend to draw more amps?

    Yes, but I don't have any numbers.

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    Best,
    Wolf K
    https://kirkwood40.blogspot.com
    It's called "opinion" because it's not knowledge.

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  • From J.B. Wood@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Wed Mar 1 06:35:41 2017
    On 02/28/2017 11:28 AM, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.


    Hello, and being of a certain age I remember the Gilbert AF displays in department stores of the era and still have a functioning AF train set.
    Lionel products seemed to be more popular but it's hard to imagine track
    any more robustly constructed than the AF original. Even that paper
    insulation on the track ties is extremely durable IMO. I admit bias but
    I still think that the 1/64 scale factor is an ideal tradeoff between
    model size and ease of repair and maintenance (especially when you're a
    kid). That Gilbert stuff from New Haven was built to last. Sincerely,


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  • From Fizzbin@21:1/5 to J.B. Wood on Wed Mar 1 11:06:40 2017
    On 2017-03-01 11:35:41 +0000, J.B. Wood said:

    On 02/28/2017 11:28 AM, Fizzbin wrote:
    On 2017-02-13 22:48:00 +0000, Wolf K said:

    On 2017-02-13 17:28, Fizzbin wrote:
    Will new locos and cars work on the vintage American Flyer track?

    Only on plain track, not on the turnouts (track switches).

    Thanks! I was going to use some brane new American Flyer track to
    bridge a gap, since IMO it seems more sturdy.


    Hello, and being of a certain age I remember the Gilbert AF displays in department stores of the era and still have a functioning AF train set. Lionel products seemed to be more popular but it's hard to imagine
    track any more robustly constructed than the AF original. Even that
    paper insulation on the track ties is extremely durable IMO. I admit
    bias but I still think that the 1/64 scale factor is an ideal tradeoff between model size and ease of repair and maintenance (especially when
    you're a kid). That Gilbert stuff from New Haven was built to last. Sincerely,

    I agree, and I'm not of that age. I'm hoping to get a modern
    transformer with enough current.

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  • From J.B. Wood@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Wed Mar 1 12:28:54 2017
    On 03/01/2017 11:06 AM, Fizzbin wrote:

    I agree, and I'm not of that age. I'm hoping to get a modern
    transformer with enough current.

    Hello, again, and the solution back in the day was to use as many
    transformers (and fiber pins depending on what you wanted to control on
    the layout) as necessary and also, since they didn't use polarized plugs
    back then, making sure they were phased correctly when plugged in. I
    usually dedicated Gilbert's smallest transformer (the one that came with
    the starter layout packages) for powering and dimming street lamps and
    other building illuminations.

    The one design problem IMO with that small transformer was a
    metal-on-metal sliding contact between the secondary winding and the
    0-15 VAC voltage (train speed) selector. Eventually some of the
    secondary turns end up being mashed flat resulting in shorted turns and overheating of the transformer. Sincerely,

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    J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_123234@hotmail.com

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  • From Fizzbin@21:1/5 to J.B. Wood on Wed Mar 1 17:01:28 2017
    On 2017-03-01 17:28:54 +0000, J.B. Wood said:

    On 03/01/2017 11:06 AM, Fizzbin wrote:

    I agree, and I'm not of that age. I'm hoping to get a modern
    transformer with enough current.

    Hello, again, and the solution back in the day was to use as many transformers (and fiber pins depending on what you wanted to control on
    the layout) as necessary and also, since they didn't use polarized
    plugs back then, making sure they were phased correctly when plugged
    in. I usually dedicated Gilbert's smallest transformer (the one that
    came with the starter layout packages) for powering and dimming street
    lamps and other building illuminations.

    The one design problem IMO with that small transformer was a
    metal-on-metal sliding contact between the secondary winding and the
    0-15 VAC voltage (train speed) selector. Eventually some of the
    secondary turns end up being mashed flat resulting in shorted turns and overheating of the transformer. Sincerely,

    I see a few Lionel transformers from 1985+ but they only have 7VA -
    which at 18V comes out to 0.4~A. My layout won't be big so know I can
    get away with a small transformer, but if it doesn't have anough
    current to run the loco its a waste. Are you aware of any particular
    (non vintage) power suply that might work?

    Justin

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  • From Andreas Neumann@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Thu Mar 2 08:23:26 2017
    Fizzbin wrote:

    I see a few Lionel transformers from 1985+ but they only have 7VA -
    which at 18V comes out to 0.4~A. My layout won't be big so know I can
    get away with a small transformer, but if it doesn't have anough
    current to run the loco its a waste. Are you aware of any particular
    (non vintage) power suply that might work?

    Why not choose a Maerklin transformer, they are available in 110/120V and 18 and 30VA. I don't know if the current production is still of the old-style electromechanical type, but anyway those are available on ebay, I just
    checked.

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  • From J.B. Wood@21:1/5 to Fizzbin on Thu Mar 2 06:25:32 2017
    On 03/01/2017 05:01 PM, Fizzbin wrote:

    I see a few Lionel transformers from 1985+ but they only have 7VA -
    which at 18V comes out to 0.4~A. My layout won't be big so know I can
    get away with a small transformer, but if it doesn't have anough current
    to run the loco its a waste. Are you aware of any particular (non
    vintage) power suply that might work?

    Justin

    Hello, and the reason I stuck with the vintage stuff was more of
    aesthetics and keeping everything "all Gilbert" as much as possible.

    If looks aren't all that important then almost any adjustable power
    supply of appropriate ratings would do the job. Check out vendors like
    MFJ Enterprises, MCM electronics, Digi-Key or Jameco Electronics.
    Sometimes you can even find used laboratory-grade power supplies from
    companies like Lambda at hamfests. Good hunting,

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    J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_123234@hotmail.com

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