rocknrollkat@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jim Keenan wrote:
Mingsdad wrote:
Is this a form of Hsing-I Chuan?
No.
Liu He Ba Fa is reported to be developed from Xin Yi Quan,
Taijiquan, and Baguazhang. Liu He Ba Fa is sometimes called
Hua Yue Xin Yi Liu He Ba Fa Quan.
Confusion may arise through mistaking Xinyiquan (also
called Liuhequan)for Xingyiquan. They are two separate arts.
-- Jim Keenan
Jim,dates back as far as Liu He Ba Fa, or about 1000 A.D., and that is open
Taiji is about 800 years old, Ba Gua is about 300 years old, only Xin Yi Quan
to debate.
I was taught that Liu He Ba Fa predates all of these systems, and the dates bear this out.
Why do people keep insisting that it is the other way around?
Bill P.
Give it up. It's 2014. Martial-arts has been reduced to leg-humping,
juicing up, and pumping iron in the gym. Peter Dellys (a.k.a. GDS GreenDistantStar), an Aussie leg-humper, asks Fraser Johnston, another
Aussie leg-humper, "Kata? What kata?".
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 5:41:53 PM UTC-4, Timo wrote:years old. The theoretical side appears to have developed in the mid 1700s.
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:09:13 PM UTC+10, William Palminteri wrote:
Taiji is about 800 years old,
... according to traditions that conflict with historical sources. According to internal oral history that doesn't have external evidence against it - oral history that isn't known to be crap - it, or the arts it derives from,, would be about 350
Martial arts internal histories are riddled with myth, legend, propaganda and outright lies. Not something to accept uncritically.
Okay then, what's the 'truth' according to you ?
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 10:09:13 PM UTC+10, William Palminteri wrote:old. The theoretical side appears to have developed in the mid 1700s.
Taiji is about 800 years old,
... according to traditions that conflict with historical sources. According to internal oral history that doesn't have external evidence against it - oral history that isn't known to be crap - it, or the arts it derives from,, would be about 350 years
Martial arts internal histories are riddled with myth, legend, propaganda and outright lies. Not something to accept uncritically.
On Thursday, May 8, 2014 at 11:44:03 AM UTC-4, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
rocknrollkat@gmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, January 4, 1997 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Jim Keenan wrote:dates back as far as Liu He Ba Fa, or about 1000 A.D., and that is open
Mingsdad wrote:
Is this a form of Hsing-I Chuan?
No.
Liu He Ba Fa is reported to be developed from Xin Yi Quan,
Taijiquan, and Baguazhang. Liu He Ba Fa is sometimes called
Hua Yue Xin Yi Liu He Ba Fa Quan.
Confusion may arise through mistaking Xinyiquan (also
called Liuhequan)for Xingyiquan. They are two separate arts.
-- Jim Keenan
Jim,
Taiji is about 800 years old, Ba Gua is about 300 years old, only Xin Yi Quan
to debate.
I was taught that Liu He Ba Fa predates all of these systems, and the dates bear this out.
Why do people keep insisting that it is the other way around?
Bill P.
Give it up. It's 2014. Martial-arts has been reduced to leg-humping,
juicing up, and pumping iron in the gym. Peter Dellys (a.k.a. GDS
GreenDistantStar), an Aussie leg-humper, asks Fraser Johnston, another
Aussie leg-humper, "Kata? What kata?".
Luckily I'm studying with people who teach the original closed door systems. But yes, there are endless 'sifus' out there, homegrown 'experts' who took that 10 hour 'tai chi" class at their local high school's adult education program.
Oh well....
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