When I remarked,decades ago,on the arms on rec.heraldry it
was noted that a diamond lozenge as borne by women by some
rules would utterly fail to do the devices justice...
I hope the new 28th/29th/25th Baron (who turned 29 in December...
the late peer had run the family estates,or what remains,since age 30)
has a son,as right now his four elder sisters would be his
co-heiresses if he remains childless.
On Monday, 15 February 2021 at 11:13:58 UTC, Louis Epstein wrote:
When I remarked,decades ago,on the arms on rec.heraldry it
was noted that a diamond lozenge as borne by women by some
rules would utterly fail to do the devices justice...
I hope the new 28th/29th/25th Baron (who turned 29 in December...
the late peer had run the family estates,or what remains,since age 30)
has a son,as right now his four elder sisters would be his
co-heiresses if he remains childless.
That raises an interesting question. Given that the Royal Family has now accepted
that gender is irrelevant in dealing with succession to the throne, when will the
College of Arms accept that gender is irrelevant in the display of arms? Why do we
still distinguish between male and female versions? The old canard about women not
carrying a shield is completely out of date. Women in the armed forces are now
being deployed on the front line alongside men. And they wear the same uniform.
Shouldn't we get rid of all this sexism in heraldry?
Whilst we wait for the heralds to do something useful, perhaps one way round is to
display all arms on a rectangular banner, which artistically is a much more convenient shape than either a shield or a lozenge, especially if the arms are
quartered.
Another entry in my decades-long series of "Eminent Elizabethans II",
persons achieving notability in the realms of,in lives entirely
within the reign of,Queen Elizabeth II.The most recent was Dame
Georgina Mace last September.
Edward William Stephen Stourton,27th Baron Mowbray,28th Baron Segrave,
and 24th Baron Stourton,born April 17th 1953,died January 30th 2021
according to the Yorkshire Post and others.His three baronies were
created in 1283,1295,and 1448 respectively...he had succeeded in
2006.
The family arms are a quarterly of six,noting their royal
descent and their being heirs general of England's Premier Dukes
(Norfolk) and Earls(Shrewsbury) though those titles descend by
heirs male:
1st Stourton (their own male line)
2nd Howard (Dukes of Norfolk)
3rd Mowbray
4th Segrave
5th Plantagenet (for Thomas of Brotherton,son of Edward I)
6th Talbot (Earls of Shrewsbury)
(The last four feature lions,also the dexter supporter).
When I remarked,decades ago,on the arms on rec.heraldry it
was noted that a diamond lozenge as borne by women by some
rules would utterly fail to do the devices justice...
I hope the new 28th/29th/25th Baron (who turned 29 in December...
the late peer had run the family estates,or what remains,since age 30)
has a son,as right now his four elder sisters would be his
co-heiresses if he remains childless.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Peter Howarth <pgrho...@gmail.com> wrote:
I know that the distinctive differencing marks for the first,second,etc. sons on arms go back centuries...the Canadian heralds came up with marks for the first,second,etc. daughters to also be used but I don't know if they have ever caught on anywhere else.
Whilst we wait for the heralds to do something useful, perhaps one way round is toLess artistic,though.
display all arms on a rectangular banner, which artistically is a much more convenient shape than either a shield or a lozenge, especially if the arms are
quartered.
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