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  • Substitute for black powder?

    From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 15 15:17:52 2018
    In article <p8buao$hd0$1@news.albasani.net>, "frank "@frank.net says...
    # Very interesting. I googled this up:
    #
    # http://blog.westernpowders.com/2015/08/powder-position-and-pressure/
    #
    # It may appear powder too close to the bullet can cause highly reduced
    # pressure.
    #
    # I've been reloading light plinking loads of .357 mag and .44 mag with
    # Tite Group which comes no where near filling a case but have never seen
    # a problem.
    #
    #
    #

    I have not tried it as I don't use very light loads in any of my guns,
    but I did read about some shooters had their ammo disqualified for some matches. I have never checked it ,but the only light load I use is some
    38 special 148 ge wadd cutters with about 2.8 gr of Bullseye. That still
    takes up much of the case capacity.

    I am not into it,so may be way off on the numbers. One match seems to
    have 2 classes. A minor and major power factor. The weight of the
    bullet and the velocity has to equal so many foot pounds to make the
    major class which should be a more realistic combat load instead of
    lighter target loads.

    Seems that the load was worked up by a shooter and was fine at his
    range. Took the ammo to a competition shoot and he fired a round over
    the chronograph. It was too low in velocity to make the major class.
    After doing some checking, it was determined if the gun was pointed up
    and slowly brought to level to shoot the velocity was much higher than
    if the gun was pointed down and then brought level.


    Have you ever fired your loads over a chronograph and tried holding the
    gun up and then down ? Would be interisting to know if you see the
    effect or not.

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 16 14:13:43 2018
    On 3/15/2018 11:17 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    # In article <p8buao$hd0$1@news.albasani.net>, "frank "@frank.net says...
    # # Very interesting. I googled this up:
    # #
    # # http://blog.westernpowders.com/2015/08/powder-position-and-pressure/
    # #
    # # It may appear powder too close to the bullet can cause highly reduced
    # # pressure.
    # #
    # # I've been reloading light plinking loads of .357 mag and .44 mag with
    # # Tite Group which comes no where near filling a case but have never seen
    # # a problem.
    # #
    # #
    # #
    #
    # I have not tried it as I don't use very light loads in any of my guns,
    # but I did read about some shooters had their ammo disqualified for some
    # matches. I have never checked it ,but the only light load I use is some
    # 38 special 148 ge wadd cutters with about 2.8 gr of Bullseye. That still
    # takes up much of the case capacity.
    #
    # I am not into it,so may be way off on the numbers. One match seems to
    # have 2 classes. A minor and major power factor. The weight of the
    # bullet and the velocity has to equal so many foot pounds to make the
    # major class which should be a more realistic combat load instead of
    # lighter target loads.
    #
    # Seems that the load was worked up by a shooter and was fine at his
    # range. Took the ammo to a competition shoot and he fired a round over
    # the chronograph. It was too low in velocity to make the major class.
    # After doing some checking, it was determined if the gun was pointed up
    # and slowly brought to level to shoot the velocity was much higher than
    # if the gun was pointed down and then brought level.
    #
    #
    # Have you ever fired your loads over a chronograph and tried holding the
    # gun up and then down ? Would be interisting to know if you see the
    # effect or not.
    #
    #
    I don't shoot competitively but would try your chronograph experiment if
    I had one. I did have two of them that I shot and ruined. The first
    was in my basement with an arrow.

    I used to load all near max but was getting terrible leading. My light
    loads leave barrels practically lead free.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 16 15:20:31 2018
    In article <p8gjen$r0t$1@news.albasani.net>, "frank "@frank.net says...
    #
    # I don't shoot competitively but would try your chronograph experiment if
    # I had one. I did have two of them that I shot and ruined. The first
    # was in my basement with an arrow.
    #
    # I used to load all near max but was getting terrible leading. My light
    # loads leave barrels practically lead free.
    #
    #
    #



    I started reloading when I was around 23 when I got my first handgun
    that was not a 22 cal. A 357 mag. I was taught by 2 men that had been reloading for many years. Things went well for a year or so reloading
    the 357 to near maximum book loads with jacketed bullets. One of the
    men gave me some Hornady lead bullets. I did download it slightly and
    thought I never would get the lead out after shooting 50 rounds. Those Hornadys were very soft lead. Later I started shooting some very hard
    cast bullets and downloaded a bit more and have not had any lead
    problems. I did get a Lewis Lead remover, but have not needed it.
    I think I am getting about 900 fps or so with the 158 gr lead bullets
    using somewhere around 6 gr of Unique or Green Dot depending on what I
    have around. I have not shot the revolvers much after I got a couple of
    40 cal Glocks.

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  • From Frank@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 17 21:31:35 2018
    On 3/16/2018 11:20 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    # In article <p8gjen$r0t$1@news.albasani.net>, "frank "@frank.net says...
    # #
    # # I don't shoot competitively but would try your chronograph experiment if
    # # I had one. I did have two of them that I shot and ruined. The first
    # # was in my basement with an arrow.
    # #
    # # I used to load all near max but was getting terrible leading. My light
    # # loads leave barrels practically lead free.
    # #
    # #
    # #
    #
    #
    #
    # I started reloading when I was around 23 when I got my first handgun
    # that was not a 22 cal. A 357 mag. I was taught by 2 men that had been
    # reloading for many years. Things went well for a year or so reloading
    # the 357 to near maximum book loads with jacketed bullets. One of the
    # men gave me some Hornady lead bullets. I did download it slightly and
    # thought I never would get the lead out after shooting 50 rounds. Those
    # Hornadys were very soft lead. Later I started shooting some very hard
    # cast bullets and downloaded a bit more and have not had any lead
    # problems. I did get a Lewis Lead remover, but have not needed it.
    # I think I am getting about 900 fps or so with the 158 gr lead bullets
    # using somewhere around 6 gr of Unique or Green Dot depending on what I
    # have around. I have not shot the revolvers much after I got a couple of
    # 40 cal Glocks.
    #
    #
    I too started pistol reloading with a .357 mag. I quit reloading 38 SPL
    for it as chambers in cylinder got lead plus that you had to blast out.
    I reload a .40 Glock but am not fond of picking up cases and don't shoot
    it much.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 18 00:09:03 2018
    In article <p8k1fn$h4v$1@news.albasani.net>, frank@frank.net says...
    #
    # I too started pistol reloading with a .357 mag. I quit reloading 38 SPL
    # for it as chambers in cylinder got lead plus that you had to blast out.
    # I reload a .40 Glock but am not fond of picking up cases and don't shoot
    # it much.
    #
    #
    #

    I have read abou the lead problem with the 38's in the 357 chamber,
    so I just shoot the 357 cases even with small loads. I seldom shoot
    anyting under about 3/4 loads in it with the 158 gr lead swc.


    I shoot severl simiautos, handguns and rifles. The range is out doors
    and mostly gravel shooting lands. I just pick up what I can find and
    don't worry about the ones that I can't find. From the looks of the
    ranges, some never pick up the empties. However some come to the ranges
    and look them over for brass that was left.

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