• scarification: is this a joke?

    From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 17:47:17 2023
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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 22:18:59 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    The process can be a bit of a pain, so most opt
    not to use this method


    Thimble berry sees are really small too. Cut them
    with a knife?

    don't need to cut them but nick them a bit is all.

    yes, it's not a joke, but most of what i grow
    here doesn't have such requirements.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Jul 3 20:25:27 2023
    On 7/3/23 19:18, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    The process can be a bit of a pain, so most opt
    not to use this method


    Thimble berry sees are really small too. Cut them
    with a knife?

    don't need to cut them but nick them a bit is all.

    yes, it's not a joke, but most of what i grow
    here doesn't have such requirements.


    songbird


    You would need jewels glasses to see them!
    I think I will break down and spend the
    $30 and buy a plant.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 06:56:57 2023
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    You would need jewels glasses to see them!
    I think I will break down and spend the
    $30 and buy a plant.

    your conditions are likely completely
    inhospitable for them - i'd not waste the $.

    i used to live in the Upper Peninsula of
    Michigan where they grew in the wild. they
    did not grow in an arid hot climate - i would
    find them growing in the woods and along the
    edges where it was usually partly shaded and
    cool and moist almost constantly.

    where you are at i think they'd fry.

    on top of that they have a very unusual
    flavor - i found it rather cloyingly sweet and
    just barely edible but i'd rather grow
    raspberries if given the choice (and i liked
    the golden raspberry variety the best - but
    that is my own personal preference :).


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jul 4 15:09:01 2023
    On 7/4/23 03:56, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    You would need jewels glasses to see them!
    I think I will break down and spend the
    $30 and buy a plant.

    your conditions are likely completely
    inhospitable for them - i'd not waste the $.

    i used to live in the Upper Peninsula of
    Michigan where they grew in the wild. they
    did not grow in an arid hot climate - i would
    find them growing in the woods and along the
    edges where it was usually partly shaded and
    cool and moist almost constantly.

    where you are at i think they'd fry.

    Not to mention the 7% humidity. They
    probably would not have a chance to call
    me any names before they withered.

    on top of that they have a very unusual
    flavor - i found it rather cloyingly sweet and
    just barely edible but i'd rather grow
    raspberries if given the choice (and i liked
    the golden raspberry variety the best - but
    that is my own personal preference :).


    songbird


    You just talked me out of it. Especially
    the "cloying" part, meaning too high
    carbs for me. Most wild plants are
    not too high in carbs because they have
    not been hybridized.

    Since you eat mostly whole food with some
    SAD (Standard American Diet) thrown in, you
    probably can not taste sweet things down
    as low as I can. I am on the Historically
    Appropriate Human Diet (A.K.A. Keto), which
    make me able to enjoy things like choke
    berries, where folks on SAD would instantly
    spit them out. So if you think thimbleberries
    are "cloying", I would absolute gag on them!

    And being wild, most of that sugar would be
    coming from inulin, meaning farts. (Small
    amounts are fine. But "cloying" means ....)

    I am really, really interested in those
    wild black raspberries you mentioned in
    another letter!

    Thank you!
    -T

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jul 4 23:15:51 2023
    On 7/4/2023 3:56 AM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    You would need jewels glasses to see them!
    I think I will break down and spend the
    $30 and buy a plant.

    your conditions are likely completely
    inhospitable for them - i'd not waste the $.

    i used to live in the Upper Peninsula of
    Michigan where they grew in the wild. they
    did not grow in an arid hot climate - i would
    find them growing in the woods and along the
    edges where it was usually partly shaded and
    cool and moist almost constantly.

    where you are at i think they'd fry.

    on top of that they have a very unusual
    flavor - i found it rather cloyingly sweet and
    just barely edible but i'd rather grow
    raspberries if given the choice (and i liked
    the golden raspberry variety the best - but
    that is my own personal preference :).

    My first kiss for my delightful wife was a thimbleberry kiss. Definitely surprised her.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 07:46:08 2023
    T wrote:

    ...thimbleberries...

    You just talked me out of it. Especially
    the "cloying" part, meaning too high
    carbs for me. Most wild plants are
    not too high in carbs because they have
    not been hybridized.

    Since you eat mostly whole food with some
    SAD (Standard American Diet) thrown in, you
    probably can not taste sweet things down
    as low as I can. I am on the Historically
    Appropriate Human Diet (A.K.A. Keto), which
    make me able to enjoy things like choke
    berries, where folks on SAD would instantly
    spit them out. So if you think thimbleberries
    are "cloying", I would absolute gag on them!

    i've greatly reduced my sugar intake
    compared to my diet of years ago, also we
    do not add salt to our normal cooking so
    yes, i do notice when things are sweet
    very easily. i also happen to have very
    good senses of taste and smell. so i
    think you are assuming a lot about my
    diet that isn't particularly accurate.


    And being wild, most of that sugar would be
    coming from inulin, meaning farts. (Small
    amounts are fine. But "cloying" means ....)

    I am really, really interested in those
    wild black raspberries you mentioned in
    another letter!

    got that covered in my previous post.
    i'm not sure they're available to certain
    areas as they may be considered invasive
    or pest species or it may just be too
    difficult for them in highly alkaline
    soils to even get started so perhaps
    they would not spread much in the wild.
    around here the birds will move them
    all over once they're growing (same as
    the red raspberries).


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jul 5 07:47:31 2023
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    My first kiss for my delightful wife was a thimbleberry kiss. Definitely surprised her.

    haha! i could not do that to someone
    (i'd be worried about allergies and...).


    songbird

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jul 5 07:12:04 2023
    On 7/5/2023 4:46 AM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:

    ...thimbleberries...

    You just talked me out of it. Especially
    the "cloying" part, meaning too high
    carbs for me. Most wild plants are
    not too high in carbs because they have
    not been hybridized.

    Since you eat mostly whole food with some
    SAD (Standard American Diet) thrown in, you
    probably can not taste sweet things down
    as low as I can. I am on the Historically
    Appropriate Human Diet (A.K.A. Keto), which
    make me able to enjoy things like choke
    berries, where folks on SAD would instantly
    spit them out. So if you think thimbleberries
    are "cloying", I would absolute gag on them!

    i've greatly reduced my sugar intake
    compared to my diet of years ago, also we
    do not add salt to our normal cooking so
    yes, i do notice when things are sweet
    very easily. i also happen to have very
    good senses of taste and smell. so i
    think you are assuming a lot about my
    diet that isn't particularly accurate.


    I would describe tiny thimbleberries as a raspberry like flavor,
    different but similarly intense. But there are never enough ripe to whet
    my appetite for them. Just enough to tease.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jul 5 14:41:27 2023
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    I would describe tiny thimbleberries as a raspberry like flavor,
    different but similarly intense. But there are never enough ripe to whet
    my appetite for them. Just enough to tease.

    i could pick them and they were mostly indeed
    thimble sized. i made jam a few times using them
    and could not really like it as much as i would
    a red or black raspberry or blackberry jam.

    i do know that some people do enjoy it and i
    for sure would not try to stop them from growing
    or enjoying them.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jul 5 13:57:20 2023
    On 7/5/23 04:46, songbird wrote:
    i've greatly reduced my sugar intake
    compared to my diet of years ago, also we
    do not add salt to our normal cooking so
    yes, i do notice when things are sweet
    very easily. i also happen to have very
    good senses of taste and smell. so i
    think you are assuming a lot about my
    diet that isn't particularly accurate.

    My sugar intake is zero, except what is naturally
    occurring in some of the fruit I can have.

    I was basing my remark on what you are able to
    eat that I am not, such as potatoes, beans,
    winter squash, etc.. I do miss beans.

    What is the same in our diets is that we
    both consume whole foods. You are able to
    consume things from the SAD that I can not,
    such as bread, wheat, rice, corn, potatoes,
    sweat potatoes, apples, oranges,etc.. I am
    not sure I presumed too much.

    But, since you are now able to notice sweet at
    a lower level, which is awesome, you are not
    venturing into the SAD very much if at all.

    Are you able to pick up the nuances in
    blueberries yet? that one really shocked
    me. I thought they were just slightly sweet.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jul 5 17:45:05 2023
    On 7/5/2023 11:41 AM, songbird wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    I would describe tiny thimbleberries as a raspberry like flavor,
    different but similarly intense. But there are never enough ripe to whet
    my appetite for them. Just enough to tease.

    i could pick them and they were mostly indeed
    thimble sized. i made jam a few times using them
    and could not really like it as much as i would
    a red or black raspberry or blackberry jam.

    i do know that some people do enjoy it and i
    for sure would not try to stop them from growing
    or enjoying them.

    The one I get are wild, in the parks or mountains. Thimble size would be
    the extreme example.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Thu Jul 6 18:19:30 2023
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    The one I get are wild, in the parks or mountains. Thimble size would be
    the extreme example.

    i picked them wild too, on a forested hillside.
    the very last time i went picking i'd gotten about
    half a bowl full and was reaching for a really
    nice big one when my foot slipped and i fell and
    dumped them all out. and then too were the nice
    ones you'd see and go to reach for them and they'd
    fall off the plant. grrr! :)


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 6 18:31:04 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    winter squash, etc.. I do miss beans.

    green beans are not too carb heavy.


    What is the same in our diets is that we
    both consume whole foods. You are able to
    consume things from the SAD that I can not,
    such as bread, wheat, rice, corn, potatoes,
    sweat potatoes, apples, oranges,etc.. I am
    not sure I presumed too much.

    hmm, corn isn't common in my diet and i'm
    also not much of a rice eater. i used to eat
    more brown rice but i would also cook it with
    lentils since they had about the same cooking
    time. regular potatoes are a once in a while
    item and sweet potatoes i could eat more
    often but we don't always keep them on hand.


    ...
    Are you able to pick up the nuances in
    blueberries yet? that one really shocked
    me. I thought they were just slightly sweet.

    Mom gets blueberries all the time and in the
    off seasons they come from places in Central
    or South America. many of them don't taste
    very good to me and sometimes they don't taste
    very good to her either but she'll eat them
    anyways. Michigan usually has a pretty good
    blueberry season so i prefer to eat them when
    they are local and fresh. as a kid we could
    go out into the fields behind where we lived
    and pick all we could eat. they were the
    shorter wild types.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jul 6 19:37:19 2023
    On 7/6/23 15:31, songbird wrote:
    winter squash, etc.. I do miss beans.

    green beans are not too carb heavy.

    They are fine for a T0 but not for a T2.
    With the whole foods that you eat, I would
    be extremely surprised if you ever developed
    T2.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jul 6 20:58:16 2023
    On 7/6/2023 3:31 PM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    winter squash, etc.. I do miss beans.

    green beans are not too carb heavy.


    What is the same in our diets is that we
    both consume whole foods. You are able to
    consume things from the SAD that I can not,
    such as bread, wheat, rice, corn, potatoes,
    sweat potatoes, apples, oranges,etc.. I am
    not sure I presumed too much.

    hmm, corn isn't common in my diet and i'm
    also not much of a rice eater. i used to eat
    more brown rice but i would also cook it with
    lentils since they had about the same cooking
    time. regular potatoes are a once in a while
    item and sweet potatoes i could eat more
    often but we don't always keep them on hand.


    ...
    Are you able to pick up the nuances in
    blueberries yet? that one really shocked
    me. I thought they were just slightly sweet.

    Mom gets blueberries all the time and in the
    off seasons they come from places in Central
    or South America. many of them don't taste
    very good to me and sometimes they don't taste
    very good to her either but she'll eat them
    anyways.

    Perhaps because they are picked too early for shipping.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Fri Jul 7 12:35:45 2023
    Bob F wrote:
    ...blueberries...
    Perhaps because they are picked too early for shipping.

    we've had some that were really good and then
    the next batch were bad, it really varies. also
    we've had some from prime growing places and they
    were tasteless. some that she had two weeks ago
    from Mexico were horrible, hard and tasteless.
    the ones she just got from New Jersey are good.
    all over the place...

    even the prime MI season ones sometimes do not
    have great flavor.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 7 12:32:50 2023
    T wrote:
    On 7/6/23 15:31, songbird wrote:
    winter squash, etc.. I do miss beans.

    green beans are not too carb heavy.

    They are fine for a T0 but not for a T2.
    With the whole foods that you eat, I would
    be extremely surprised if you ever developed
    T2.

    some relatives are borderline T2 so i've
    been trying to take it more easy on myself
    and also to get my weight back to where i
    feel much better. another 10-12 lbs and
    i'll be good. hope i can peel at least half
    of that off in the next month or two before
    it starts to get cool again.


    songbird

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