• question on bone meal and onions

    From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 13:56:08 2023
    Hi All,

    Organic bone meal (phosphorous) promotes flower,
    fruit set up, and root growth.

    Question: does the root part apply to the
    bulb of onions?

    Many thanks,
    -T

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 19:40:27 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    Question: does the root part apply to the
    bulb of onions?

    the root system is below the bulb and the
    bulb is made up of modified leaves. :) of
    course it will make a difference if the soil
    is deficient. onions like a pretty good
    quality soil, but may do ok in poorer soils.

    my worms really like any bits that come
    from the garlic or onions.

    i did not plant any green onion seeds
    early this season to get some green onions.
    oops. all the onions i have growing that i
    could take and eat for green onions are too
    tough and are flowering. my bulb onions
    are coming along ok so far. recent rains
    have really helped out all of the gardens.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Jul 3 17:38:59 2023
    On 7/3/23 16:40, songbird wrote:
    Question: does the root part apply to the
    bulb of onions?
    the root system is below the bulb and the
    bulb is made up of modified leaves.


    Hmmm, then maybe a higher nitrogen content?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 3 22:17:22 2023
    T wrote:
    On 7/3/23 16:40, songbird wrote:
    Question: does the root part apply to the
    bulb of onions?
    the root system is below the bulb and the
    bulb is made up of modified leaves.


    Hmmm, then maybe a higher nitrogen content?

    are the plants struggling to grow? normally
    i amend for the heaviest feeding plants and
    then rotate plant through that same area for
    another few crops before i amend it again.
    using different types of crops means you can
    draw from different nutrient profiles.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Jul 3 20:24:24 2023
    On 7/3/23 19:17, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    On 7/3/23 16:40, songbird wrote:
    Question: does the root part apply to the
    bulb of onions?
    the root system is below the bulb and the
    bulb is made up of modified leaves.


    Hmmm, then maybe a higher nitrogen content?

    are the plants struggling to grow? normally
    i amend for the heaviest feeding plants and
    then rotate plant through that same area for
    another few crops before i amend it again.
    using different types of crops means you can
    draw from different nutrient profiles.


    songbird


    Nothing grows really well for me. I have
    a black thumb. But last year I got tons
    of peppers, goji berries, white onions tops.

    This year the garlic failed (again), the
    pepper seeds 100% failed, and the eggplant
    seeds 100% failed.

    The bilberries are finally flowering and
    flowering a lot. The choke berries have
    a lot of fruit on them, and it looks like
    I may finally get some black berries.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 4 06:51:34 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    Nothing grows really well for me. I have
    a black thumb. But last year I got tons
    of peppers, goji berries, white onions tops.

    do you need some midday shading?


    This year the garlic failed (again), the
    pepper seeds 100% failed, and the eggplant
    seeds 100% failed.

    as far as i know both peppers and eggplant
    need warmth and even moisture. eggplant can
    sprout a lot faster than peppers. 70F - 90F
    temperature range for sprouting. so if you
    are trying to sprout them in a place that
    isn't uniformly moist or warm they may not do
    as well. that's about the extent of my
    eggplant and pepper sprouting knowledge - i
    normally get all my starts from our local
    greenhouse because we do not keep it very
    warm here and also we just don't have a good
    spot to sprout many plants.


    The bilberries are finally flowering and
    flowering a lot. The choke berries have
    a lot of fruit on them, and it looks like
    I may finally get some black berries.

    :) success! :)

    around here we have some small wild
    raspberries that are black that will grow
    in any sandy soil barren location if given
    a chance. blackberries i won't plant
    because they are so hard to control and i
    have enough projects already...


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jul 4 14:56:45 2023
    On 7/4/23 03:51, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Nothing grows really well for me. I have
    a black thumb. But last year I got tons
    of peppers, goji berries, white onions tops.

    do you need some midday shading?

    I have no idea ...


    This year the garlic failed (again), the
    pepper seeds 100% failed, and the eggplant
    seeds 100% failed.

    as far as i know both peppers and eggplant
    need warmth and even moisture. eggplant can
    sprout a lot faster than peppers. 70F - 90F
    temperature range for sprouting. so if you
    are trying to sprout them in a place that
    isn't uniformly moist or warm they may not do
    as well. that's about the extent of my
    eggplant and pepper sprouting knowledge - i
    normally get all my starts from our local
    greenhouse because we do not keep it very
    warm here and also we just don't have a good
    spot to sprout many plants.

    That explains a lot of things. When I planted
    my pepper seeds and my eggplant seeds, the
    nights were down to 35-45F and the days
    were 50-70F. I am wondering if they will
    come up in August or if they just rotted
    sitting there getting watered every day.

    I could plant later, but the growing season is
    too short, so I am stuck with the greenhouse.
    And I can't grow indoors due to my wife mold
    allergy.

    I was trying to do as much a I could from seeds
    as the recession and market changes have impacted
    my income greatly. It was worth a try. At
    least I finally got onion and tomatillo seeds
    to come up!


    The bilberries are finally flowering and
    flowering a lot. The choke berries have
    a lot of fruit on them, and it looks like
    I may finally get some black berries.

    :) success! :)

    around here we have some small wild
    raspberries that are black that will grow
    in any sandy soil barren location if given
    a chance.

    You got my full attention. Wild means
    they have not been hybridized for unnatural
    levels of carbohydrates.

    I need a botanical name so I can chase
    them down at one of the wild plant web sites.


    blackberries i won't plant
    because they are so hard to control and i
    have enough projects already...

    No problem for me. I can see for you
    because you have a green thumb and
    know what you are doing. Me, on the
    other hand with my black thumb, can
    kill anything edible I want just by looking
    sideways at it. Unfortunately, it does not
    work on weeds, who just laugh at me.

    Thank you!
    -T


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 5 07:40:28 2023
    T wrote:
    songbird wrote:


    ...mentioned wild small black raspberries...

    You got my full attention. Wild means
    they have not been hybridized for unnatural
    levels of carbohydrates.

    I need a botanical name so I can chase
    them down at one of the wild plant web sites.

    here's a useful link which saves me some
    typing. :)

    https://www.healthygreensavvy.com/wild-black-raspberries-blackcap-berries/


    any time you can grow from seeds that
    is certainly usually cheaper than trying to
    find and buy starts. i wish i could do more
    of it here, but there's just not very much
    decent space at all for that. it's a small
    house and there's no basement with easy
    access, the light is poor for growing things
    too. i keep only a few houseplants - as a
    kid i used to have shelves and shelves of
    them along with other plants scattered
    around the house (a different house that was
    much larger).


    blackberries i won't plant
    because they are so hard to control and i
    have enough projects already...

    No problem for me. I can see for you
    because you have a green thumb and
    know what you are doing.

    i don't plant them as they would be just
    another thing coming up in places i don't
    want them. i don't have any time to forage
    them either which we used to do when we were
    kids (and i didn't have all these gardens to
    keep after :) ).


    Me, on the
    other hand with my black thumb, can
    kill anything edible I want just by looking
    sideways at it. Unfortunately, it does not
    work on weeds, who just laugh at me.

    the problem you have is pretty difficult
    location/climate/soils and with that probably
    some very intense sunlight when it also gets
    to be hot outside. you also may not be on a
    very good water supply in terms of water
    quality (i'm guessing based upon your general
    location in the dessert SW).

    it's hard to do things with hardpan alkaline
    soils in an arid climate. you pretty much need
    to pull out all the tricks for soil building at
    the same time dealing with arid conditions and
    if you try to do raised beds the heat and drying
    winds make that even tougher. pretty much what
    you need is a way to bust trenches down deep
    enough to hold any organic matter you can
    manage to grow and scrounge up along with some
    wind breaks to help hold moisture but then if
    your trenches don't drain well enough you can
    also get too wet when it does finally rain so
    you need a way to soak in the extra moisture
    somehow too. not an easy situation. it can
    be done, it takes time though.

    as time goes along you can learn and adapt
    some things and get better. just use your
    brain and apply the scientific method as much
    as you can, observe what happens, try new
    things, etc.

    every season you should try to bust those
    ground pots up a bit bigger if you can and
    scrounge whatever organic materials you can
    find to decompose over the winter months when
    there is more moisture. the acids from the
    decomposing materials will also help bust up
    that hard ground (and the roots from any
    plants will also help with that). if you can
    do a trial sometime of sprinkling the empty
    pots with winter wheat or winter rye (the
    grain not the grass) and then turning that
    over in the early spring it may also help.
    i would love to do it here in rotation but
    Mom does not like how the chipmunks will
    take the seeds and move them around. she's
    really picky about how things look and
    considers mulches of dead plants to look
    too untidy - which is pretty sad to me
    because they really help break up the heavy
    clay we have - i'd be years further ahead
    in soil conditioning here if i could have
    grown these in rotation with my other
    plantings through the winter, also they
    look a lot nicer than bare dirt to me.
    such is the breaks. we do what we can and
    keep on going. :)


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jul 5 17:47:12 2023
    On 7/5/23 04:40, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    songbird wrote:


    ...mentioned wild small black raspberries...

    You got my full attention. Wild means
    they have not been hybridized for unnatural
    levels of carbohydrates.

    I need a botanical name so I can chase
    them down at one of the wild plant web sites.

    here's a useful link which saves me some
    typing. :)

    https://www.healthygreensavvy.com/wild-black-raspberries-blackcap-berries/


    Rubus occidentalis Awesome!!! (I had looked up
    the wrong ones.)


    any time you can grow from seeds that
    is certainly usually cheaper than trying to
    find and buy starts. i wish i could do more
    of it here, but there's just not very much
    decent space at all for that. it's a small
    house and there's no basement with easy
    access, the light is poor for growing things
    too. i keep only a few houseplants - as a
    kid i used to have shelves and shelves of
    them along with other plants scattered
    around the house (a different house that was
    much larger).


    blackberries i won't plant
    because they are so hard to control and i
    have enough projects already...

    No problem for me. I can see for you
    because you have a green thumb and
    know what you are doing.

    i don't plant them as they would be just
    another thing coming up in places i don't
    want them. i don't have any time to forage
    them either which we used to do when we were
    kids (and i didn't have all these gardens to
    keep after :) ).


    Me, on the
    other hand with my black thumb, can
    kill anything edible I want just by looking
    sideways at it. Unfortunately, it does not
    work on weeds, who just laugh at me.

    the problem you have is pretty difficult
    location/climate/soils and with that probably
    some very intense sunlight when it also gets
    to be hot outside. you also may not be on a
    very good water supply in terms of water
    quality (i'm guessing based upon your general
    location in the dessert SW).

    My neighbors do much better than me, so a lot
    of it is me. But the all have fancy raised
    beds, etc..


    it's hard to do things with hardpan alkaline
    soils in an arid climate. you pretty much need
    to pull out all the tricks for soil building at
    the same time dealing with arid conditions and
    if you try to do raised beds the heat and drying
    winds make that even tougher. pretty much what
    you need is a way to bust trenches down deep
    enough to hold any organic matter you can
    manage to grow and scrounge up along with some
    wind breaks to help hold moisture but then if
    your trenches don't drain well enough you can
    also get too wet when it does finally rain so
    you need a way to soak in the extra moisture
    somehow too. not an easy situation. it can
    be done, it takes time though.

    as time goes along you can learn and adapt
    some things and get better. just use your
    brain and apply the scientific method as much
    as you can, observe what happens, try new
    things, etc.

    every season you should try to bust those
    ground pots up a bit bigger if you can and
    scrounge whatever organic materials you can
    find to decompose over the winter months when
    there is more moisture. the acids from the
    decomposing materials will also help bust up
    that hard ground (and the roots from any
    plants will also help with that). if you can
    do a trial sometime of sprinkling the empty
    pots with winter wheat or winter rye (the
    grain not the grass) and then turning that
    over in the early spring it may also help.
    i would love to do it here in rotation but
    Mom does not like how the chipmunks will
    take the seeds and move them around. she's
    really picky about how things look and
    considers mulches of dead plants to look
    too untidy - which is pretty sad to me
    because they really help break up the heavy
    clay we have - i'd be years further ahead
    in soil conditioning here if i could have
    grown these in rotation with my other
    plantings through the winter, also they
    look a lot nicer than bare dirt to me.
    such is the breaks. we do what we can and
    keep on going. :)


    songbird

    I am amazed how much nice the soil in my pots
    gets every year. Really feels nice on my
    hands. I use to think farmers were a bit
    nuts when I would see them pick up some dirt
    and get excited. Now I understand.

    I learn something new every year. Most of
    my learning comes from you.

    Oh, found my first squash bug yesterday.
    He got a dish soap bath.

    And since my ground pots are about 2"
    below the surface so that water won't
    run all over the place, any squash bugs
    hiding down by the roots got a good
    soapy bath too.

    He was a big one too. And since the plant
    wa not too big, it was easy to check all
    the leaves for eggs. None were found.

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