• A silt solution ... that is supplied by my well

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 16:18:06 2023
    At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm
    picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
    This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle
    is to get the medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the
    heavier components are forced to the outside by centrifugal force to
    settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my
    "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the
    top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom ,
    a horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about
    a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized ,
    I'm thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
    Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Mar 8 18:53:22 2023
    On 3/8/2023 5:18 PM, Snag wrote:
      At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
      This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle
    is to get the medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by centrifugal  force to
    settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my
    "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the
    top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom ,
    a horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about
    a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized ,
    I'm thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
      Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    I have a whole house filter for my well. Change filter every three to
    six months. Looks something like this one:

    https://www.aquapurefilters.com/store/product/200073.200062/aqua-pure-ap801b-large-diameter-water-filtration-system.html

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Mar 8 17:53:44 2023
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
      At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
      This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle
    is to get the medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by centrifugal  force to
    settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my
    "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the
    top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom ,
    a horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about
    a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized ,
    I'm thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
      Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

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  • From Wilson@21:1/5 to Bob F on Thu Mar 9 11:57:29 2023
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm
    picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water before >> it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install
    a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector
    systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle is to get the >> medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the heavier
    components are forced to the outside by centrifugal  force to settle at
    the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone"
    (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the top and
    angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom , a
    horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about a
    foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm
    thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall >> , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8
    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your well and
    then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel becomes a large sediment retainer that you would need to clean periodically, but the system
    is otherwise passive.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Wilson on Thu Mar 9 16:32:39 2023
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for
    a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It
    turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based
    on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The
    basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case water -
    swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by
    centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon
    plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the
    inlet will be near the top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet
    will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe to the center , then an
    elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long . I haven't decided yet if
    the barrel will be pressurized , I'm thinking probably not . Last
    year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall , using the overflow to
    gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your well and
    then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel becomes a
    large sediment retainer that you would need to clean periodically, but
    the system is otherwise passive.

    That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will move
    the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the center I
    think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the distribution
    system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure hope this works ,
    I'm using black plastic over the entire garden this year to try and get
    the grasses knocked out so top watering will be a problem ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Mar 10 08:34:53 2023
    On 3/9/2023 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell
    for a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters .
    It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water . >>>>    This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based
    on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The
    basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case water -
    swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by
    centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon
    plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the
    inlet will be near the top and angled to impart swirling . The
    outlet will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe to the center ,
    then an elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long . I haven't
    decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm thinking
    probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall ,
    using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8
    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your well
    and then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel becomes
    a large sediment retainer that you would need to clean periodically,
    but the system is otherwise passive.

      That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will move
    the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the center I
    think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the distribution
    system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure hope this works ,
    I'm using black plastic over the entire garden this year to try and get
    the grasses knocked out so top watering will be a problem ...

    I would worry about having to replace the filter and the durability of
    the unit. All filters eventually clog and have to be replaced plus
    plastic in unit would probably not hold up as well as metal. The one I
    have was replaced by a plumber years ago after one I had installed
    failed due to leak in bypass valve. He installed ball valves to shut
    off the unit for filter change.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Frank on Fri Mar 10 08:28:41 2023
    On 3/10/2023 7:34 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell
    for a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters
    . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the
    water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water >>>>> before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based
    on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The
    basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case water -
    swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside
    by centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55
    gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond butter)
    , the inlet will be near the top and angled to impart swirling .
    The outlet will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe to the
    center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long . I
    haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm
    thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your well
    and then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel
    becomes a large sediment retainer that you would need to clean
    periodically, but the system is otherwise passive.

       That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will
    move the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the
    center I think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the
    distribution system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure
    hope this works , I'm using black plastic over the entire garden this
    year to try and get the grasses knocked out so top watering will be a
    problem ...

    I would worry about having to replace the filter and the durability of
    the unit.  All filters eventually clog and have to be replaced plus
    plastic in unit would probably not hold up as well as metal.  The one I
    have was replaced by a plumber years ago after one I had installed
    failed due to leak in bypass valve.  He installed ball valves to shut
    off the unit for filter change.

    Filters cost money and must eventually be replaced . The swirl
    technology has been in use for dust collection systems for a long time
    because it works . My first hurdle on this project is fittings to pass
    the piping thru the wall of the barrel with some kind of watertight
    fitting . Might just have to cast a brass part and machine it - or
    modify a part of an old faucet I have in my scrap pile . Modifying an
    existing part is less work and more appealing ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Mar 11 07:32:23 2023
    On 3/10/2023 9:28 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/10/2023 7:34 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell
    for a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters >>>>>> . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the
    water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water >>>>>> before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is
    based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops >>>>>> . The basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case
    water - swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the
    outside by centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using >>>>>> a 55 gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond
    butter) , the inlet will be near the top and angled to impart
    swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe
    to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long
    . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm
    thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate . >>>>>>    Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8
    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your well
    and then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel
    becomes a large sediment retainer that you would need to clean
    periodically, but the system is otherwise passive.

       That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will
    move the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the
    center I think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the
    distribution system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure
    hope this works , I'm using black plastic over the entire garden this
    year to try and get the grasses knocked out so top watering will be a
    problem ...

    I would worry about having to replace the filter and the durability of
    the unit.  All filters eventually clog and have to be replaced plus
    plastic in unit would probably not hold up as well as metal.  The one
    I have was replaced by a plumber years ago after one I had installed
    failed due to leak in bypass valve.  He installed ball valves to shut
    off the unit for filter change.

      Filters cost money and must eventually be replaced . The swirl
    technology has been in use for dust collection systems for a long time because it works . My first hurdle on this project is fittings to pass
    the piping thru the wall of the barrel with some kind of watertight
    fitting . Might just have to cast a brass part and machine it - or
    modify a part of an old faucet I have in my scrap pile . Modifying an existing part is less work and more appealing ...

    Filters are available at less than $3. Change only takes me a few
    minutes. Reading reviews on the swirl filter makes it look like a crap
    shoot as it could clog in a few days at worst. Let us know how you make
    out.

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  • From Wilson@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sat Mar 11 11:25:21 2023
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm
    picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water before >> it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install
    a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector
    systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle is to get the >> medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the heavier
    components are forced to the outside by centrifugal  force to settle at
    the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone"
    (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the top and
    angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom , a
    horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about a
    foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm
    thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall >> , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8
    When you swirl the water, everything will eventually move to the center
    where things go slowest. Very simple to demonstrate.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Frank on Sat Mar 11 13:40:31 2023
    On 3/11/2023 6:32 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/10/2023 9:28 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/10/2023 7:34 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation >>>>>>> system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell >>>>>>> for a while , then I started having problems with plugged
    emitters . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? >>>>>>> with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the
    water before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to >>>>>>> work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution
    is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet
    shops . The basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this >>>>>>> case water - swirling so that the heavier components are forced
    to the outside by centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom .
    I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally
    held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the top and angled
    to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom , a
    horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe
    about a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be
    pressurized , I'm thinking probably not . Last year I used open
    standpipes about 2 feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and
    adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your
    well and then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The barrel
    becomes a large sediment retainer that you would need to clean
    periodically, but the system is otherwise passive.

       That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will
    move the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the
    center I think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the
    distribution system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure
    hope this works , I'm using black plastic over the entire garden
    this year to try and get the grasses knocked out so top watering
    will be a problem ...

    I would worry about having to replace the filter and the durability
    of the unit.  All filters eventually clog and have to be replaced
    plus plastic in unit would probably not hold up as well as metal.
    The one I have was replaced by a plumber years ago after one I had
    installed failed due to leak in bypass valve.  He installed ball
    valves to shut off the unit for filter change.

       Filters cost money and must eventually be replaced . The swirl
    technology has been in use for dust collection systems for a long time
    because it works . My first hurdle on this project is fittings to pass
    the piping thru the wall of the barrel with some kind of watertight
    fitting . Might just have to cast a brass part and machine it - or
    modify a part of an old faucet I have in my scrap pile . Modifying an
    existing part is less work and more appealing ...

    Filters are available at less than $3.  Change only takes me a few minutes.  Reading reviews on the swirl filter makes it look like a crap shoot as it could clog in a few days at worst.  Let us know how you make out.

    This is not a filter ... this is simple physics . There is a swirling/rotation imparted to the incoming water by angling the inlet
    pipe . The silt/sand particles , being heavier/denser than water , are
    forced to the outside by centrifugal force . By drawing the outlet water
    from the center of the barrel I hope to avoid picking up so much junk
    that it plugs my emitters . If this doesn't work to my satisfaction my
    backup plan is to fill the barrel , let it sit for a while to settle ,
    then use the water , refill and repeat .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sat Mar 11 13:42:26 2023
    On 3/11/2023 1:24 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 8:25 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell
    for a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters .
    It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water . >>>>    This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based
    on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The
    basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case water -
    swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by
    centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon
    plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the
    inlet will be near the top and angled to impart swirling . The
    outlet will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe to the center ,
    then an elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long . I haven't
    decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized , I'm thinking
    probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall ,
    using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

    When you swirl the water, everything will eventually move to the
    center where things go slowest. Very simple to demonstrate.

    Yes, the center at the bottom, where you periodically flush them out.

    Anything heavier than water will tend to move to the outside and down as
    they spin.

    Exactly !
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Wilson on Sat Mar 11 11:24:57 2023
    On 3/11/2023 8:25 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation
    system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for
    a while , then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It
    turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work
    unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based
    on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The
    basic principle is to get the medium - air or in this case water -
    swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by
    centrifugal  force to settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon
    plastic drum as my "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the
    inlet will be near the top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet
    will be near the bottom , a horizontal pipe to the center , then an
    elbow and vertical pipe about a foot long . I haven't decided yet if
    the barrel will be pressurized , I'm thinking probably not . Last
    year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall , using the overflow to
    gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this.

    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8

    When you swirl the water, everything will eventually move to the center
    where things go slowest. Very simple to demonstrate.

    Yes, the center at the bottom, where you periodically flush them out.

    Anything heavier than water will tend to move to the outside and down as
    they spin.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Mar 11 19:22:39 2023
    Snag wrote:
    ...
    Exactly !

    except this imlies that you have constant water flow of a
    fairly stable sort. as soon as you introduce perturbations
    i think that upsets the swirly effect. or at least i'm
    kinda guessing that might be a problem.


    songbird

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Mar 11 22:07:58 2023
    On 3/11/2023 6:22 PM, songbird wrote:
    Snag wrote:
    ...
    Exactly !

    except this imlies that you have constant water flow of a
    fairly stable sort. as soon as you introduce perturbations
    i think that upsets the swirly effect. or at least i'm
    kinda guessing that might be a problem.


    songbird


    The water is coming from our well . When the pump isn't running the
    water in the barrel will be static , any silt will naturally settle to
    the bottom . When it is running the water will be swirling and the silt
    will be moving to the outside and down . With the outlet pipe in the
    middle of the barrel I expect to see a marked reduction of plugged
    emitters . I'm thinking the barrel will need to be kept full to not have
    those disturbances in the flow patterns ... or if I let the level drop
    between watering I'll need to let the pump run long enough to establish
    the rotation and fill the barrel before I start to draw water . More new
    ground for me .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Mar 11 20:19:26 2023
    On 3/11/2023 4:22 PM, songbird wrote:
    Snag wrote:
    ...
    Exactly !

    except this imlies that you have constant water flow of a
    fairly stable sort. as soon as you introduce perturbations
    i think that upsets the swirly effect. or at least i'm
    kinda guessing that might be a problem.


    songbird

    I would expect when the flow stops, things sink to the bottom, and stay
    there to little motion getting all the way down. When starting flow come
    in there may be a little cross flow to the outlet, but still not much
    due to the direction of the input around the circumference of the
    barrel the OP proposed.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Mar 11 20:21:43 2023
    On 3/11/2023 8:07 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 6:22 PM, songbird wrote:
    Snag wrote:
    ...
        Exactly !

       except this imlies that you have constant water flow of a
    fairly stable sort.  as soon as you introduce perturbations
    i think that upsets the swirly effect.  or at least i'm
    kinda guessing that might be a problem.


       songbird


      The water is coming from our well . When the pump isn't running the
    water in the barrel will be static , any silt will naturally settle to
    the bottom . When it is running the water will be swirling and the silt
    will be moving to the outside and down . With the outlet pipe in the
    middle of the barrel I expect to see a marked reduction of plugged
    emitters . I'm thinking the barrel will need to be kept full to not have those disturbances in the flow patterns ... or if I let the level drop between watering I'll need to let the pump run long enough to establish
    the rotation and fill the barrel before I start to draw water . More new ground for me .

    Yes. If the water level drops far, the water coming in will drop and
    disturb the sediment in the bottom. Better to avoid that.

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to Snag on Sun Mar 12 08:39:10 2023
    On 3/11/2023 2:40 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/11/2023 6:32 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/10/2023 9:28 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/10/2023 7:34 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 3/9/2023 10:57 AM, Wilson wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 8:53 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 3/8/2023 2:18 PM, Snag wrote:
       At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation >>>>>>>> system that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked
    swell for a while , then I started having problems with plugged >>>>>>>> emitters . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine
    silt/sand/? with the water .
       This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the >>>>>>>> water before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to >>>>>>>> work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution >>>>>>>> is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet >>>>>>>> shops . The basic principle is to get the medium - air or in
    this case water - swirling so that the heavier components are
    forced to the outside by centrifugal  force to settle at the
    bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my "cyclone"
    (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the top >>>>>>>> and angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the
    bottom , a horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and
    vertical pipe about a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the >>>>>>>> barrel will be pressurized , I'm thinking probably not . Last
    year I used open standpipes about 2 feet tall , using the
    overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
       Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...

    A variety of screen filters, up to #1000, are available for this. >>>>>>>
    https://www.amazon.com/Rusco-Separator-Sediment-Water-Filter/dp/B01GWCUNF6/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=Sediment+Filter&qid=1678326575&sr=8-8
    How would it work if you just filled the 55 gal. drum from your
    well and then drew the water from the top of the barrel? The
    barrel becomes a large sediment retainer that you would need to
    clean periodically, but the system is otherwise passive.

       That's pretty much what I had in mind . The swirling action will >>>>> move the silt towards the outside , the out feed tube being in the
    center I think will minimize the amount of silt getting into the
    distribution system - I can adjust the height if I need to . I sure
    hope this works , I'm using black plastic over the entire garden
    this year to try and get the grasses knocked out so top watering
    will be a problem ...

    I would worry about having to replace the filter and the durability
    of the unit.  All filters eventually clog and have to be replaced
    plus plastic in unit would probably not hold up as well as metal.
    The one I have was replaced by a plumber years ago after one I had
    installed failed due to leak in bypass valve.  He installed ball
    valves to shut off the unit for filter change.

       Filters cost money and must eventually be replaced . The swirl
    technology has been in use for dust collection systems for a long
    time because it works . My first hurdle on this project is fittings
    to pass the piping thru the wall of the barrel with some kind of
    watertight fitting . Might just have to cast a brass part and machine
    it - or modify a part of an old faucet I have in my scrap pile .
    Modifying an existing part is less work and more appealing ...

    Filters are available at less than $3.  Change only takes me a few
    minutes.  Reading reviews on the swirl filter makes it look like a
    crap shoot as it could clog in a few days at worst.  Let us know how
    you make out.

      This is not a filter ... this is simple physics . There is a swirling/rotation imparted to the incoming water by angling the inlet
    pipe . The silt/sand particles , being heavier/denser than water , are
    forced to the outside by centrifugal force . By drawing the outlet water
    from the center of the barrel I hope to avoid picking up so much junk
    that it plugs my emitters . If this doesn't work to my satisfaction my
    backup plan is to fill the barrel , let it sit for a while to settle ,
    then use the water , refill and repeat .

    I read this in one star review:
    Installed unit After reading suggestions, picked this unit
    Installation was easy
    When turned on, unit become clogged in less than 30 minutes
    Called company and was told that I needed to install a pre filter with a
    30 micron filter and replace current unit with a stainless steel filter Installation requires gluing, which in my installation is a short section Followed up discussion with email Was told basically needed to purchase
    a new unit with a 30 micron SS filter and an additional 100 Ss filter to replace current filter
    Also was told that they do sell replacement head units

    So i requested a price I was then ghosted by the company

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  • From Hul Tytus@21:1/5 to Snag on Mon Mar 13 21:42:10 2023
    High pressure pump and a short duration. Similar in concept to the
    m2 carbine if you're familiar with those.

    Hul

    Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:
    At least I hope so . Last year I installed a drip irrigation system
    that is supplied by my well in my garden . It worked swell for a while ,
    then I started having problems with plugged emitters . It turns out I'm picking up some very fine silt/sand/? with the water .
    This year I'm adding a system to get that silt out of the water
    before it reaches the emitters . Filtration ain't going to work unless I install a swimming pool type system . My solution is based on the dust collector systems in common use at cabinet shops . The basic principle
    is to get the medium - air or in this case water - swirling so that the heavier components are forced to the outside by centrifugal force to
    settle at the bottom . I'm using a 55 gallon plastic drum as my
    "cyclone" (originally held almond butter) , the inlet will be near the
    top and angled to impart swirling . The outlet will be near the bottom ,
    a horizontal pipe to the center , then an elbow and vertical pipe about
    a foot long . I haven't decided yet if the barrel will be pressurized ,
    I'm thinking probably not . Last year I used open standpipes about 2
    feet tall , using the overflow to gauge and adjust the flow rate .
    Comments from those experienced in this stuff welcome ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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