• My poor garlic !!!

    From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 12:57:16 2023
    Hi All,

    Starting jan 1, we have been having a lot
    of snow. At one point I had three foot
    of it on my garden. It slowly melted away
    and exposed my garlic under it.

    A lot on more had sprouted up. But! Everything
    was flat to the ground.

    https://imgur.com/pzGqCBnl.png

    And now it has another eight inches on top
    of it. PLUS!!! the next three days we
    are up for another "winter storm warning"
    with snow again predicted.

    YIKES!!!

    Do you think my poor garlic will survive?

    -T

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 16:05:52 2023
    On 2/27/2023 2:57 PM, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    Starting jan 1, we have been having a lot
    of snow.  At one point I had three foot
    of it on my garden.  It slowly melted away
    and exposed my garlic under it.

    A lot on more had sprouted up.  But!  Everything
    was flat to the ground.

    https://imgur.com/pzGqCBnl.png

    And now it has another eight inches on top
    of it.  PLUS!!! the next three days we
    are up for another "winter storm warning"
    with snow again predicted.

    YIKES!!!

    Do you think my poor garlic will survive?

    -T


    I've got green onions that came though our -8° adventure just before Christmas then over 8" of snow with an ice storm following up the snow . They're putting up new growth since we've gotten a couple of weeks of
    warmer weather . Your garlic is going to be just fine .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 15:08:21 2023
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 18:51:23 2023
    On 2/27/2023 5:08 PM, T wrote:
    On 2/27/23 14:05, Snag wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 2:57 PM, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    Starting jan 1, we have been having a lot
    of snow.  At one point I had three foot
    of it on my garden.  It slowly melted away
    and exposed my garlic under it.

    A lot on more had sprouted up.  But!  Everything
    was flat to the ground.

    https://imgur.com/pzGqCBnl.png

    And now it has another eight inches on top
    of it.  PLUS!!! the next three days we
    are up for another "winter storm warning"
    with snow again predicted.

    YIKES!!!

    Do you think my poor garlic will survive?

    -T


       I've got green onions that came though our -8° adventure just
    before Christmas then over 8" of snow with an ice storm following up
    the snow . They're putting up new growth since we've gotten a couple
    of weeks of warmer weather . Your garlic is going to be just fine .


    What kind of onions are you over wintering?

    And when did you plant them?

    Seeds?  Or that little bulbs?

    These were planted last summer . They're just called "bunching
    onions" , I guess because you buy them by the bunch at the store ... I
    buy them as little bulbs , by the pound . I found out just the other day
    when I got these that if they're kept in the crisper drawer in the
    fridge they'll keep for quite some time .
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 11:46:20 2023
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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 14:23:39 2023
    On 3/1/2023 1:46 PM, T wrote:
    On 2/27/23 16:51, Snag wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 5:08 PM, T wrote:
    On 2/27/23 14:05, Snag wrote:
    On 2/27/2023 2:57 PM, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    Starting jan 1, we have been having a lot
    of snow.  At one point I had three foot
    of it on my garden.  It slowly melted away
    and exposed my garlic under it.

    A lot on more had sprouted up.  But!  Everything
    was flat to the ground.

    https://imgur.com/pzGqCBnl.png

    And now it has another eight inches on top
    of it.  PLUS!!! the next three days we
    are up for another "winter storm warning"
    with snow again predicted.

    YIKES!!!

    Do you think my poor garlic will survive?

    -T


       I've got green onions that came though our -8° adventure just
    before Christmas then over 8" of snow with an ice storm following up
    the snow . They're putting up new growth since we've gotten a couple
    of weeks of warmer weather . Your garlic is going to be just fine .


    What kind of onions are you over wintering?

    And when did you plant them?

    Seeds?  Or that little bulbs?

       These were planted last summer . They're just called "bunching
    onions" , I guess because you buy them by the bunch at the store ... I
    buy them as little bulbs , by the pound . I found out just the other
    day when I got these that if they're kept in the crisper drawer in the
    fridge they'll keep for quite some time .


    And they are back under 1-1/2 foot of snow again!

    That's not a bad thing . Snow is a pretty good insulator , I'd bet
    the temp 2" under the ground surface is pretty close to 32° . Depends a
    lot on how cold it was before the snow fell ...
    --
    Snag
    "You can lead a dummy to facts
    but you can't make him think."

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 16:57:47 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    Do you think my poor garlic will survive?

    yes. they'll be ok.

    the bunching onions i have grown for a few years
    now are very mild and survive the winter without
    being mulched or babied at all.

    tons of seeds from them last year too. they
    could take over the world if i'm not careful.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 16:58:46 2023
    and all that snow is good news for the arid SW.
    looks like a great snow pack for both California
    and the Colorado River.

    i hope it keeps piling up.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Mar 2 08:58:25 2023
    On 3/1/23 13:57, songbird wrote:
    the bunching onions i have grown for a few years
    now are very mild and survive the winter without
    being mulched or babied at all.


    Sound right up my alley.

    What kind of onions were they and where
    did your originally purchase them?

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  • From T@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 14:06:51 2023
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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 17:20:17 2023
    T wrote:
    On 3/1/23 13:57, songbird wrote:
    the bunching onions i have grown for a few years
    now are very mild and survive the winter without
    being mulched or babied at all.


    Sound right up my alley.

    What kind of onions were they and where
    did your originally purchase them?

    Tokyo Bunching Onions, i got them from the local library
    seed library and returned many thousand seeds a few months
    ago. i still have a few hundred extra left (and should
    have a resupply by mid-summer).

    i imagine they are commercially available but if you
    can't find them locally send me your snail mail address
    and i'll send you some since they are small enough to
    go by a regular sized envelope.

    my e-mail address works.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Mar 2 15:40:51 2023
    On 3/2/23 14:20, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    On 3/1/23 13:57, songbird wrote:
    the bunching onions i have grown for a few years
    now are very mild and survive the winter without
    being mulched or babied at all.


    Sound right up my alley.

    What kind of onions were they and where
    did your originally purchase them?

    Tokyo Bunching Onions, i got them from the local library
    seed library and returned many thousand seeds a few months
    ago. i still have a few hundred extra left (and should
    have a resupply by mid-summer).

    i imagine they are commercially available but if you
    can't find them locally send me your snail mail address
    and i'll send you some since they are small enough to
    go by a regular sized envelope.

    my e-mail address works.


    songbird


    Oh yo know what? On a whim, I planted the white
    ends of scallions (green onions) from the
    supermarket. They are still going at is four
    years now. I did not know they were also known
    as bunching onions.

    Got me a bunch of seeds last year. I got
    my eye on a special spot in the garden.

    Any issues with them cross pollinating with
    myu garlic? That would make for an interesting
    taste!

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  • From Dan Purgert@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 01:48:58 2023
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    On 2023-03-02, T wrote:
    [...]

    Oh yo know what? On a whim, I planted the white
    ends of scallions (green onions) from the
    supermarket. They are still going at is four
    years now. I did not know they were also known
    as bunching onions.

    As I recall, "Scallions" are said Japanese Bunching Onions; but (IN
    THE US ANYWAY), what you get from the store is more likely just a very
    young white onion (AKA "Green Onion" or "Spring Onion").

    (above distinction comes from asking chef friends, because "I can't find scallions!"; so take with a grain of salt)



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  • From fin@21:1/5 to Dan Purgert on Fri Mar 3 11:37:50 2023
    Dan Purgert wrote:
    ...
    As I recall, "Scallions" are said Japanese Bunching Onions; but (IN
    THE US ANYWAY), what you get from the store is more likely just a very
    young white onion (AKA "Green Onion" or "Spring Onion").

    (above distinction comes from asking chef friends, because "I can't find scallions!"; so take with a grain of salt)

    yes, young onions are often just used as a green onion.
    it isn't until months later that you would know that any
    sold to you are bunching onions or not since they are the
    ones that would not form bulbs.

    as for cross-fertilization, they are different species
    so i don't think it happens apart from doing some genetic
    manipulations in the lab. note, however that some things
    called garlic are not garlic (elephant garlic is actually
    a wild leek).

    for more fun there are onion hybrids. there are a lot
    more onion species than garlic.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to fin on Fri Mar 3 09:23:11 2023
    On 3/3/23 08:37, fin wrote:
    Dan Purgert wrote:
    ...
    As I recall, "Scallions" are said Japanese Bunching Onions; but (IN
    THE US ANYWAY), what you get from the store is more likely just a very
    young white onion (AKA "Green Onion" or "Spring Onion").

    (above distinction comes from asking chef friends, because "I can't find
    scallions!"; so take with a grain of salt)

    yes, young onions are often just used as a green onion.
    it isn't until months later that you would know that any
    sold to you are bunching onions or not since they are the
    ones that would not form bulbs.

    as for cross-fertilization, they are different species
    so i don't think it happens apart from doing some genetic
    manipulations in the lab. note, however that some things
    called garlic are not garlic (elephant garlic is actually
    a wild leek).

    for more fun there are onion hybrids. there are a lot
    more onion species than garlic.


    songbird

    Thank you!

    Just out of curiosity, were does the term "bunching"
    come from? What do they mean by "bunch"?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 16:21:14 2023
    T wrote:
    ...
    Just out of curiosity, were does the term "bunching"
    come from? What do they mean by "bunch"?

    i think it is the growth habit in that it divides
    into bunches of plants as compared to growing as a
    singular bulb.

    but i could not say where the name came from for
    sure. it's probably very old. the onions have been
    cultivated for thousands of years.


    songbird

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