• Of wells and pumps and distribution systems

    From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 22 22:04:48 2022
    There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well this
    year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was here when
    we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing a drip
    irrigation system .
    The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a steel
    cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275 gallons
    capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply water to a
    system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole tank every day
    , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for electricity . That much
    city water would cost me around a hundred bucks or more , with the added benefit that my well water has no chemicals added .
    If ever there was a time when it was important to have a productive
    garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a coming shortage of
    food , and I don't like going hungry .
    --
    Snag
    My rights don't end
    where your fear begins .

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  • From hubops@ccanoemail.ca@21:1/5 to Snag on Fri Apr 22 23:53:39 2022
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:04:48 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well this
    year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was here when
    we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing a drip
    irrigation system .
    The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a steel
    cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275 gallons
    capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply water to a
    system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole tank every day
    , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for electricity . That much
    city water would cost me around a hundred bucks or more , with the added >benefit that my well water has no chemicals added .
    If ever there was a time when it was important to have a productive
    garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a coming shortage of
    food , and I don't like going hungry .


    Maybe less electricity than you think ?
    ... not sure of my maths here ..
    : 10 minutes per day to fill the tank x 30 days
    = 300 min = 5 hours
    : 1/3 HP pump <?> 300 watts x 5 hours
    = 1500 watt hrs = 1.5 kWhr per month.
    < seems too small ? dunno .. >

    Assuming that you are doing gravity-feed drip system -
    be sure to get the proper product - and not the
    < more common > ones that require pressure
    from the tap to work.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/water-and-irrigation/irrigation-systems/49691-gravity-feed-watering-kit?item=XC609

    Scum will want to build-up in the tank pretty quick -
    you'll want to keep it from clogging the system ..
    Happy growing.
    John T.

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to hubops@ccanoemail.ca on Sat Apr 23 07:20:49 2022
    On 4/22/2022 10:53 PM, hubops@ccanoemail.ca wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 22:04:48 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well this
    year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was here when
    we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing a drip
    irrigation system .
    The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a steel
    cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275 gallons
    capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply water to a
    system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole tank every day
    , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for electricity . That much
    city water would cost me around a hundred bucks or more , with the added
    benefit that my well water has no chemicals added .
    If ever there was a time when it was important to have a productive
    garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a coming shortage of
    food , and I don't like going hungry .


    Maybe less electricity than you think ?
    ... not sure of my maths here ..
    : 10 minutes per day to fill the tank x 30 days
    = 300 min = 5 hours
    : 1/3 HP pump <?> 300 watts x 5 hours
    = 1500 watt hrs = 1.5 kWhr per month.
    < seems too small ? dunno .. >

    Assuming that you are doing gravity-feed drip system -
    be sure to get the proper product - and not the
    < more common > ones that require pressure
    from the tap to work.

    https://www.leevalley.com/en-ca/shop/garden/water-and-irrigation/irrigation-systems/49691-gravity-feed-watering-kit?item=XC609

    Scum will want to build-up in the tank pretty quick -
    you'll want to keep it from clogging the system ..
    Happy growing.
    John T.


    It's a 1 hp pump, I figure I can fill a 275 gallon tank in about 30
    minutes at 10 gpm so at .11 per kw/hr that's about $.08 per day . The
    pump running unrestricted moves around 25-30 gpm but the well won't
    sustain that rate for more than 5 minutes or so . The emitters I've
    ordered are adjustable gravity flow up to 2 g/HOUR . It's going to take
    some tuning to get the correct amount of water where it's needed ,
    peppers don't need as much as tomatoes ...
    The problem we usually have here is too wet in the spring followed by
    no or very little rain for 2-3 months in the mid-late summer. I can't do
    much about the wet spring but I can fix the dry spells . I think this
    year my wife will not feel like I put too much work in for the results
    we get . I just hope we have enough jars !
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    Snag
    My rights don't end
    where your fear begins .

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Apr 23 12:28:37 2022
    On 4/22/2022 10:04 PM, Snag wrote:
      There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well this year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was here when
    we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing a drip
    irrigation system .
      The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a steel
    cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275 gallons
    capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply water to a
    system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole tank every day
    , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for electricity . That much
    city water would cost me around a hundred bucks or more , with the added benefit that my well water has no chemicals added .
      If ever there was a time when it was important to have a productive garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a coming shortage of
    food , and I don't like going hungry .

    Bits and pieces are heading my way . I've ordered everything but the hardware to hook my pump outlet pipe to a faucet for a garden hose .
    That will be purchased locally . I've decided to try throttled flow from
    the pump instead of using a tank as a reservoir to feed the system . I
    can throttle main flow at the faucet interface , plus each run of pipe
    will have a valve from the main supply line and adjustable emitters .

    --
    Snag
    My rights don't end
    where your fear begins .

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to Snag on Sat Apr 23 15:00:07 2022
    On 4/23/2022 10:28 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 4/22/2022 10:04 PM, Snag wrote:
       There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well
    this year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was
    here when we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing
    a drip irrigation system .
       The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a steel
    cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275 gallons
    capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply water to a
    system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole tank every
    day , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for electricity . That
    much city water would cost me around a hundred bucks or more , with
    the added benefit that my well water has no chemicals added .
       If ever there was a time when it was important to have a productive
    garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a coming shortage
    of food , and I don't like going hungry .

      Bits and pieces are heading my way . I've ordered everything but the hardware to hook my pump outlet pipe to a faucet for a garden hose .
    That will be purchased locally . I've decided to try throttled flow from
    the pump instead of using a tank as a reservoir to feed the system . I
    can throttle main flow at the faucet interface , plus each run of pipe
    will have a valve from the main supply line and adjustable emitters .


    Wouldn't that result in excess hours of pump run rime?

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sat Apr 23 17:21:25 2022
    On 4/23/2022 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 4/23/2022 10:28 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 4/22/2022 10:04 PM, Snag wrote:
       There's no time like right now to make sure the garden does well
    this year ... So I've installed a submersible pump in our well (was
    here when we bought 20 years ago) and I'm in the process of designing
    a drip irrigation system .
       The plan is to use a large "caged tank" , a plastic tank in a
    steel cage (used to transport peroxide in this case) of around 275
    gallons capacity . The pump will fill the tank , which will supply
    water to a system of piping with drip emitters . If I use that whole
    tank every day , it will cost me about 2-3 bucks a month for
    electricity . That much city water would cost me around a hundred
    bucks or more , with the added benefit that my well water has no
    chemicals added .
       If ever there was a time when it was important to have a
    productive garden , I think it's now . Too many signs point to a
    coming shortage of food , and I don't like going hungry .

       Bits and pieces are heading my way . I've ordered everything but
    the hardware to hook my pump outlet pipe to a faucet for a garden hose
    . That will be purchased locally . I've decided to try throttled flow
    from the pump instead of using a tank as a reservoir to feed the
    system . I can throttle main flow at the faucet interface , plus each
    run of pipe will have a valve from the main supply line and adjustable
    emitters .


    Wouldn't that result in excess hours of pump run rime?

    I don't think so . If I run the pump at 7.5 GPM for an hour it
    doesn't matter if that 450 gallons goes directly to the plants or if it
    makes a trip through a holding tank . My first task in either case will
    be to regulate flow so I'm not over-pumping the well . We'll go from
    there to decide a watering schedule . Might be alternating rows every
    day , easily do-able with the valving I have on order . I need to
    finalize a layout for this year so I know where I need water . And how
    much .
    --
    Snag
    My rights don't end
    where your fear begins .

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