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    From T@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 10 21:07:45 2021
    Friday 25F
    Saturday 28F

    Picked everything Friday afternoon before the freeze.

    Kind of breaks my heart to see what was a vibrant,
    healthy plants suddenly die so pathetically.

    Now to go go over what worked and what did not and scheme
    on next year! Oh an pull out all the dead plants.

    -T

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 08:58:35 2021
    T wrote:
    Friday 25F
    Saturday 28F

    Picked everything Friday afternoon before the freeze.

    Kind of breaks my heart to see what was a vibrant,
    healthy plants suddenly die so pathetically.

    the big wheel keeps on turning...

    we have no frost in our forecast for at least the next
    week, but fall will be here soon enough. a high of 83F
    predicted for today, sunny and breezy, good as everything
    can use a good drying out.


    Now to go go over what worked and what did not and scheme
    on next year! Oh an pull out all the dead plants.

    :)

    it has been raining and foggy wet weather that today is
    the first day in a while that i'll be able to get outside
    and get some gardening done.

    my main plans are to get the gardens ready for winter
    and i have some garlic to plant.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Mon Oct 11 19:01:13 2021
    On 10/11/21 05:58, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    Friday 25F
    Saturday 28F

    Picked everything Friday afternoon before the freeze.

    Kind of breaks my heart to see what was a vibrant,
    healthy plants suddenly die so pathetically.

    the big wheel keeps on turning...

    we have no frost in our forecast for at least the next
    week, but fall will be here soon enough. a high of 83F
    predicted for today, sunny and breezy, good as everything
    can use a good drying out.


    Now to go go over what worked and what did not and scheme
    on next year! Oh an pull out all the dead plants.

    :)

    it has been raining and foggy wet weather that today is
    the first day in a while that i'll be able to get outside
    and get some gardening done.

    my main plans are to get the gardens ready for winter
    and i have some garlic to plant.


    songbird


    And this morning we all woke up to snow! At
    least it means the end to Burn California
    and we can all breath fresh air again. My
    goji's seems to be loving the snow!

    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 12 08:19:38 2021
    T wrote:
    ...
    And this morning we all woke up to snow! At
    least it means the end to Burn California
    and we can all breath fresh air again. My
    goji's seems to be loving the snow!

    it rained here again last night. we don't need any
    more rain.


    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    we're not picky about onions as we like to eat them
    often and a lot of them. whatever survives and stores
    ok. i don't have my starts for next spring in storage
    yet. i'll need to do that sometime soon. we have some
    milder sweet onions to use up in the next few weeks
    that i grew this summer. then we'll be buying onions
    again. the larger of the starts will get eaten up or
    if they spoil i'll feed them to the worms.


    songbird

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Wed Nov 10 21:46:08 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    On 10/11/21 05:58, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    Friday 25F
    Saturday 28F

    Picked everything Friday afternoon before the freeze.

    Kind of breaks my heart to see what was a vibrant,
    healthy plants suddenly die so pathetically.

    the big wheel keeps on turning...

    we have no frost in our forecast for at least the next
    week, but fall will be here soon enough. a high of 83F
    predicted for today, sunny and breezy, good as everything
    can use a good drying out.


    Now to go go over what worked and what did not and scheme
    on next year! Oh an pull out all the dead plants.

    :)

    it has been raining and foggy wet weather that today is
    the first day in a while that i'll be able to get outside
    and get some gardening done.

    my main plans are to get the gardens ready for winter
    and i have some garlic to plant.


    songbird


    And this morning we all woke up to snow! At
    least it means the end to Burn California
    and we can all breath fresh air again. My
    goji's seems to be loving the snow!

    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?
    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out this new and improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO) news/mail reader.
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Wed Nov 10 21:33:04 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    Friday 25F
    Saturday 28F

    Picked everything Friday afternoon before the freeze.

    Kind of breaks my heart to see what was a vibrant,
    healthy plants suddenly die so pathetically.

    Now to go go over what worked and what did not and scheme
    on next year! Oh an pull out all the dead plants.

    -T
    Well, you might consider relocating to a place where it's 75
    degrees at 9:30 PM. Just promise not to drive 30mph in the inside
    lane....
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From T@21:1/5 to deraldm@invalid.net on Thu Nov 11 04:26:50 2021
    On 11/10/21 18:33, deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    Well, you might consider relocating to a place where it's 75
    degrees at 9:30 PM. Just promise not to drive 30mph in the inside
    lane....

    Ya, but those zones have no trout and come with 4"
    long cockroaches

    :'(

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to deraldm@invalid.net on Fri Nov 12 08:44:42 2021
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out this new and improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO) news/mail reader.

    at least you're able to post. configuration issues can take
    some time to sort out.

    it's not like this is a high traffic group any more where we
    can't figure some things out on the other end. :)

    it has been so rainy the past month and a half that i've
    been trying to get large projects done before winter sets in.

    i finally got one long garden along the pathway outside the
    fence finished up and have moved to getting the gardens inside
    the fence ready for winter.

    we have snow and rain in the forecast so i may not get back
    outside again until next week - unless i can get a few hours
    done today, which may be possible. we'll see how it turns out. :)


    songbird

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Fri Nov 12 18:26:51 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out this new and
    improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO) news/mail reader.

    at least you're able to post. configuration issues can take
    some time to sort out.

    it's not like this is a high traffic group any more where we
    can't figure some things out on the other end. :)

    it has been so rainy the past month and a half that i've
    been trying to get large projects done before winter sets in.

    i finally got one long garden along the pathway outside the
    fence finished up and have moved to getting the gardens inside
    the fence ready for winter.

    we have snow and rain in the forecast so i may not get back
    outside again until next week - unless i can get a few hours
    done today, which may be possible. we'll see how it turns out. :)


    songbird
    Good luck. I'm hoping to get some weeding done,too, but I must
    sort some woodworking tools and decide which,if any, to sell: A large collection of "traditional" hand tools as well as a group of quality
    power tools (all of them Porter-Cable) that I don't expect to use
    again.
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to deraldm@invalid.net on Sun Nov 14 09:37:09 2021
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    ...
    Good luck. I'm hoping to get some weeding done,too, but I must
    sort some woodworking tools and decide which,if any, to sell: A large collection of "traditional" hand tools as well as a group of quality
    power tools (all of them Porter-Cable) that I don't expect to use
    again.

    :( i hope you can find a good home for all of them with
    someone who'll appreciate them and take care of them.

    i finished up one garden last week but didn't get to the
    next yet. the weather turned to rain and now snow for a
    while so maybe next week i'll be able to get back outside
    again.

    last night we rearranged part of the garage and i got some
    of the squash inside to see if the seeds/flesh were useful or
    not. these were squash grown from some green seeded hulless
    seeds a friend sent in the hopes that we'd be able to help him
    make progress on his project of just selecting out the kinds
    that are the right size and shape. with only so much room
    and these plants growing 20ft in random directions it can take
    some time to go through all the seeds he sent me. so far i
    have green seeds that are edible from most of the squash that
    grew, but the size of the fruits is bigger than what he was
    after and the flesh of the squash is really blah so it's not
    edible unless you're starving. last night two of the three
    squash i brought in had white seeds and they weren't hulless
    at all so those i did roast and will eat them eventually and i
    also roasted the green seeds that i got from the other squash
    too as those are very good to eat. the flesh from the squash
    i'll feed to the worm farm here today sometime along with the
    part i cooked up to see if was worth cooking the rest or not.
    not. decidedly not...

    sorting beans and getting packages sent out to people who
    requested some. after the first of the year i'll send out a
    few more packages. it is fun and now i have some of my
    original cross-breeds overseas so at least those eggs are no
    longer in one small geological basket. :)


    songbird

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Sun Nov 14 16:55:24 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    :( i hope you can find a good home for all of them with
    someone who'll appreciate them and take care of them.
    As do I. As you might suppose, success with the human-powered
    tools implies a different mindset and relationshp to the materials
    than with the electric machines. I'll be surprised if anyone shows
    interest in both, BTW, I await a complete email update on your
    progress with the TT photography, color-correction, etc.
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Sun Nov 14 17:01:14 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    ...
    Good luck. I'm hoping to get some weeding done,too, but I must
    sort some woodworking tools and decide which,if any, to sell: A large
    collection of "traditional" hand tools as well as a group of quality
    power tools (all of them Porter-Cable) that I don't expect to use
    again.

    :( i hope you can find a good home for all of them with
    someone who'll appreciate them and take care of them.

    i finished up one garden last week but didn't get to the
    next yet. the weather turned to rain and now snow for a
    while so maybe next week i'll be able to get back outside
    again.

    last night we rearranged part of the garage and i got some
    of the squash inside to see if the seeds/flesh were useful or
    not. these were squash grown from some green seeded hulless
    seeds a friend sent in the hopes that we'd be able to help him
    make progress on his project of just selecting out the kinds
    that are the right size and shape. with only so much room
    and these plants growing 20ft in random directions it can take
    some time to go through all the seeds he sent me. so far i
    have green seeds that are edible from most of the squash that
    grew, but the size of the fruits is bigger than what he was
    after and the flesh of the squash is really blah so it's not
    edible unless you're starving. last night two of the three
    squash i brought in had white seeds and they weren't hulless
    at all so those i did roast and will eat them eventually and i
    also roasted the green seeds that i got from the other squash
    too as those are very good to eat. the flesh from the squash
    i'll feed to the worm farm here today sometime along with the
    part i cooked up to see if was worth cooking the rest or not.
    not. decidedly not...

    sorting beans and getting packages sent out to people who
    requested some. after the first of the year i'll send out a
    few more packages. it is fun and now i have some of my
    original cross-breeds overseas so at least those eggs are no
    longer in one small geological basket. :)


    songbird
    Damned if I know why this sucker doesn't thread messages properly.
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to deraldm@invalid.net on Mon Nov 15 19:29:34 2021
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    :( i hope you can find a good home for all of them with
    someone who'll appreciate them and take care of them.

    As do I. As you might suppose, success with the human-powered
    tools implies a different mindset and relationshp to the materials
    than with the electric machines. I'll be surprised if anyone shows
    interest in both,

    if i were close enough and had room enough it would
    be a great find to have, but there's no more room at
    the inn here and i am way too far away. :(

    it is all worth enough to make it a more formal
    auction?


    BTW, I await a complete email update on your
    progress with the TT photography, color-correction, etc.

    TT? i did get a calibration device and that greatly
    improved my ability to see different colors on my screen
    that were not there before but sadly this screen has
    limits and short of getting a better screen it's not
    going to change. so i'm stuck with what i have for
    another year or two or until this monitor gives out -
    my budget doesn't currently include a new monitor so i
    have to start saving some funds for that. with winter
    coming on now heat is more a priority. :)

    some newer pictures are at the end of the bean page
    on my website, some of them are better than others. i
    have the process down very well for taking pictures and
    getting them to the computer and then getting them to
    the website, but the basic issue right now is that my
    lighting sucks and i don't know what i'm doing well
    enough to improve it much. so for the moment i adjust
    the exposure and colors somewhat but it's not nearly
    as nice as what shows up when i get some sunshine
    through the window that lights up the beans.

    the camera does take good enough pictures - i do need
    to improve my skills and understanding there too so it
    is a gradual process as i learn more and have the time
    and patience for it.

    right now being almost done with bean sorting i'm
    hoping to start take a few more pictures of some of the
    best of the new finds and other interesting things but
    i never know how they turn out. i'm not a professional
    on this for sure. :)


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to deraldm@invalid.net on Mon Nov 15 19:31:59 2021
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    ...
    Damned if I know why this sucker doesn't thread messages properly.

    do you have it set up to thread based upon subject or on
    references? i don't know how that particular newsreader
    works at all, but sometimes there are options that let you
    adjust what is used for threading.


    songbird

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Tue Nov 16 20:40:43 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    ...
    Damned if I know why this sucker doesn't thread messages properly.

    do you have it set up to thread based upon subject or on
    references? i don't know how that particular newsreader
    works at all, but sometimes there are options that let you
    adjust what is used for threading.


    songbird
    Two choices, each of which is binary. They are: "Enable threading
    by subject" and "Start a new thread when the subject changes", which
    seems a bit redundant. I have no clue what happens when either is
    diabled but well soon find out....
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From deraldm@invalid.net@21:1/5 to Sometime recently you on Tue Nov 16 20:46:18 2021
    Sometime recently you wrote:

    Sometime recently you wrote:

    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    ...
    Damned if I know why this sucker doesn't thread messages properly.

    do you have it set up to thread based upon subject or on
    references? i don't know how that particular newsreader
    works at all, but sometimes there are options that let you
    adjust what is used for threading.


    songbird
    Two choices, each of which is binary. They are: "Enable threading
    by subject" and "Start a new thread when the subject changes", which
    seems a bit redundant. I have no clue what happens when either is
    diabled but well soon find out....
    oops: It's "Start a new thread when follow-up subject changes" which
    is the same behavior as the earlier version that I've used for many
    years.
    --
    Derald
    USDA Zone 9b
    Peninsular Florida

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  • From Bloke Down The Pub@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Dec 23 14:09:10 2021
    "songbird" <songbird@anthive.com> wrote in message news:an726i-l03.ln1@anthive.com...
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out this new and
    improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO) news/mail reader.

    at least you're able to post. configuration issues can take
    some time to sort out.


    I have had to change news servers, when my ISP drop newsgroups without mentioning it.

    AND now I discover al the people that had stopped posting have, in reality, been carrying on without me.

    Just in time to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

    Mike

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bloke Down The Pub on Thu Dec 23 04:42:08 2021
    Bloke Down The Pub wrote:
    "songbird" <songbird@anthive.com> wrote in message news:an726i-l03.ln1@anthive.com...
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out this new and
    improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO) news/mail reader.

    at least you're able to post. configuration issues can take
    some time to sort out.


    I have had to change news servers, when my ISP drop newsgroups without mentioning it.

    AND now I discover al the people that had stopped posting have, in reality, been carrying on without me.

    hahaha! stuff happens! :)


    Just in time to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

    happy post solstice day! on the other side of the hump now
    for six months.


    songbird

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  • From Nyssa@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Dec 23 09:25:33 2021
    songbird wrote:

    Bloke Down The Pub wrote:
    "songbird" <songbird@anthive.com> wrote in message
    news:an726i-l03.ln1@anthive.com...
    deraldm@invalid.net wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...
    Time to plant my garlic too.

    Do you have a favorite over winter onion?

    Sorry about the dupe. I'm still tring to figure out
    this new and improved (pointlesslly complicated, IMO)
    news/mail reader.

    at least you're able to post. configuration issues can
    take
    some time to sort out.


    I have had to change news servers, when my ISP drop
    newsgroups without mentioning it.

    AND now I discover al the people that had stopped posting
    have, in reality, been carrying on without me.

    hahaha! stuff happens! :)


    Just in time to wish you all a Merry Christmas.

    happy post solstice day! on the other side of the hump
    now
    for six months.


    songbird

    Merry Christmas to all of the friendly and helpful folks
    that *still* inhabit this newsgroup.

    Let's hope for a better New Year too with plenty of
    good weather to coddle our crops and MANY fewer virus
    bugs floating around to infect our lives.

    Nyssa, who still has one tiny half-green tomato on
    her kitchen counter trying to turn red

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Nyssa on Fri Dec 24 17:48:28 2021
    Nyssa wrote:
    ...
    Merry Christmas to all of the friendly and helpful folks
    that *still* inhabit this newsgroup.

    Let's hope for a better New Year too with plenty of
    good weather to coddle our crops and MANY fewer virus
    bugs floating around to infect our lives.

    i'm glad to see California and Colorado get some snow
    and rains the past few days.


    Nyssa, who still has one tiny half-green tomato on
    her kitchen counter trying to turn red

    :) we used to have tables in the garage of green
    tomatoes getting ripe through the fall, but as the
    weather gets colder there's no way to keep the garage
    from freezing that makes sense so anything that went
    too long either got eaten as green tomatoes or was
    discarded and turned into worm food.

    but i suppose diced green tomatoes and red peppers
    or something similar might be suitably festive and
    seasonally appropriate. :)


    songbird

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Dec 24 16:13:10 2021
    On 12/24/2021 2:48 PM, songbird wrote:
    Nyssa wrote:
    ...
    Merry Christmas to all of the friendly and helpful folks
    that *still* inhabit this newsgroup.

    Let's hope for a better New Year too with plenty of
    good weather to coddle our crops and MANY fewer virus
    bugs floating around to infect our lives.

    i'm glad to see California and Colorado get some snow
    and rains the past few days.


    Nyssa, who still has one tiny half-green tomato on
    her kitchen counter trying to turn red

    :) we used to have tables in the garage of green
    tomatoes getting ripe through the fall, but as the
    weather gets colder there's no way to keep the garage
    from freezing that makes sense so anything that went
    too long either got eaten as green tomatoes or was
    discarded and turned into worm food.

    but i suppose diced green tomatoes and red peppers
    or something similar might be suitably festive and
    seasonally appropriate. :)


    songbird

    Our winter squash, Spaghetti and buttercup are spread on racks in the
    basement. We will still be eating then for another month or 3.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sat Dec 25 06:57:57 2021
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    Our winter squash, Spaghetti and buttercup are spread on racks in the basement. We will still be eating then for another month or 3.

    i have poor storage conditions so the squash won't last
    as long as they could, but also after they've cured and
    ripened up some this is now a good time for me to get them
    processed before i get distracted by other winter tasks.

    the worms also really appreciate all the goodies. :)


    songbird

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Sat Dec 25 13:59:11 2021
    On 12/25/2021 3:57 AM, songbird wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    Our winter squash, Spaghetti and buttercup are spread on racks in the
    basement. We will still be eating then for another month or 3.

    i have poor storage conditions so the squash won't last
    as long as they could, but also after they've cured and
    ripened up some this is now a good time for me to get them
    processed before i get distracted by other winter tasks.

    the worms also really appreciate all the goodies. :)


    songbird

    Basements are nice!

    My wife has been toasting the larger squash seeds as a crisp treat for
    me as she uses the squash.

    The worms get the rest of the cleanings.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Sun Dec 26 18:43:50 2021
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    Basements are nice!

    they sure are if you don't have a high water table or other
    hazards. here we have a crawlspace but it is way too warm to
    be used as storage space and also it is hard to access.


    My wife has been toasting the larger squash seeds as a crisp treat for
    me as she uses the squash.

    The worms get the rest of the cleanings.

    i grew a hulless seeded squash this year and it was great for
    roasting those seeds. i wish i had a lot more space as they
    were not too hard to process. the flesh of the squash was
    fairly bland and not worth using at all, but the worms took
    care of that.

    there's at least one squash available that has both the
    hulless seeds and edible flesh but i'm going to see if i can
    get my own cross to come about. with all the bees around here
    it should not be too difficult. i already have a good cross
    that might work out so we'll see how they go. large seeds,
    large squash, plenty of flesh for eating and not too wet and
    slimey inside so that makes it nice for seed harvesting.

    i'm going to be planting more of these next season to see
    how they go and if they'll become stable.

    wish i had more room... always more projects to keep me
    busy. :)


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Sun Dec 26 18:35:58 2021
    On 12/25/21 03:57, songbird wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    Our winter squash, Spaghetti and buttercup are spread on racks in the
    basement. We will still be eating then for another month or 3.

    i have poor storage conditions so the squash won't last
    as long as they could, but also after they've cured and
    ripened up some this is now a good time for me to get them
    processed before i get distracted by other winter tasks.

    the worms also really appreciate all the goodies. :)


    songbird

    I have heard to wipe some white vinegar on squash
    to make the last longer instorage

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 22:32:06 2021
    T wrote:
    ...
    I have heard to wipe some white vinegar on squash
    to make the last longer instorage

    if you get it cured well and don't damage it then it
    should last in storage without any other treatments.
    some people go as far as washing and using bleach but
    i don't do anything other than making sure the squash
    is dried out and cured and then treat it gently so as
    to not cause further problems.

    alas, i have gremlins here that move things around
    and aren't all that careful so even my best efforts can
    be ruined. such is life. :)

    aside from how you treat a squash and how it is
    cured then there is the basic shelf life of a squash
    and some just are not that good of keepers compared to
    others.


    songbird

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