• Tomatoes, v2021

    From Drew Lawson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 21 22:16:16 2021
    So I went out to the garden to check on just how much of a disaster
    it is (and it is), and discovered a double handful of ripe Black
    Plum tomatoes.

    I'd expected the tomatoes to be struggling, as I still haven't
    cleared the tall weeds that are near them. But they seem to be
    thriving on the neglect. Two of the cages appear to have leaf spot,
    but also have healthy new growth. So now that I've sprayed for the
    fungus they should recover nicely.

    Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
    for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
    I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
    use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
    pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.

    I also want to experiment with some small batches of ketchup. I
    bought a bottle months ago and it is so sweet that I can't use it.


    Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
    vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
    And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
    didn't look long.)

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 21 19:32:04 2021
    In article <sda6bg$cj$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...

    Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
    for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
    I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
    use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
    pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.



    Some how it seems that tomatoes all want to start getting ripe about the
    same time for me

    I start some seeds for about 4 plants almost a month eairly than the
    others. When I transplant them all abot the same time, it seems that
    they all start putting out ripe tomatoes within a few days of each
    other.

    This year it was 2 early girls and 2 celeberties. They may have put out
    some sooner, but a skunk got the ones on the bottom. I think it was a
    skunk as that is what I caught in my trap I put out after the tomaotes
    started getting gone and all the leaves were eaten off my couple of
    cucumber plants. First one of those I have seen around here.

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  • From Drew Lawson@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Thu Jul 22 02:13:10 2021
    In article <MPG.3b62786f8bd13c4b9898d1@news.eternal-september.org>
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> writes:
    In article <sda6bg$cj$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...

    Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
    for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
    I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
    use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
    pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.

    Some how it seems that tomatoes all want to start getting ripe about the
    same time for me

    Same for me, but the blame is likely my own. These (only 6 plants
    for once) are all traditional sauce varieties. You want those to
    gang up (usually). More for the large pot.

    If only I could learn how to get the relish cucumbers to do the
    same.

    This year it was 2 early girls and 2 celeberties.

    Ahh, Celebrity was my gateway tomato. We spent about 15-20 happy
    years together. I may plant again next year. Made good sandwiches.

    Then I wanted big batches of slow-cooked pasta sauce. Because
    cooking down the sauce for a single lasagne took way too long. So
    may as well cook sauce for 20 lasagnes and pressure-can the lot.

    This year, I have experimental "grape" tomatoes and "currant"
    tomatoes planted in an attempt to be subversive. Outside my pasta
    sauce, I am the only one in the family who will eat tomatoes.

    I'm hoping that if I plant the nasty sweet kind, I can lure in the
    grandkids. "You like grapes, why not try cherries . . . and then
    plums."

    Bwah-hah-hah-hah!

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 21 23:43:48 2021
    In article <sdak7m$19qi$1@raid.furrfu.com>, drew@furrfu.invalid says...

    I'm hoping that if I plant the nasty sweet kind, I can lure in the
    grandkids. "You like grapes, why not try cherries . . . and then
    plums."



    For a good number of years my grandson starting about age 4 loved the
    small cherrie type tomatoes. He would eat them like candy maybe 6 to10
    at a time. I planted the Reponsal ( misspelled it) type. Those things
    produced like mad and the vines grew out the top of a 6 foot cage and to
    the side about 3 or 4 feet.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Drew Lawson on Fri Jul 23 07:20:08 2021
    Drew Lawson wrote:
    So I went out to the garden to check on just how much of a disaster
    it is (and it is), and discovered a double handful of ripe Black
    Plum tomatoes.

    I'd expected the tomatoes to be struggling, as I still haven't
    cleared the tall weeds that are near them. But they seem to be
    thriving on the neglect. Two of the cages appear to have leaf spot,
    but also have healthy new growth. So now that I've sprayed for the
    fungus they should recover nicely.

    it's been such a strange year this season that i'm glad to see
    anything on the tomato plants at all. it will be two weeks or
    longer yet before we start seeing ripening. disease pressure
    here also is starting off. i won't spray or pull leaves off or
    mulch, i've tried all those approaches and it makes no sense for
    me to bother. the plants all end up looking bad by the end of
    the season but they've got fruits and we get results enough and
    that is fine for me. i don't want to use fungicides in general
    because all you are really doing is selecting for fungi that
    can survive being poisoned and that's not a good thing. the
    best soil community creatures for dealing with fungi are worms
    as they are bacteria factories and the bacteria and fungi have
    been in competition for millions of years. i vastly prefer to
    let them keep sorting it out. :)

    i hope for resistant plants enough instead and in past years
    we've had some that have done better than other years. the
    past two years the plants weren't as resistant as the plants
    we previously (all are beefsteak varieties).


    Although the plants got in the ground late, this is about normal
    for first pickings for me. In a week or two I may be wondering why
    I planted so many. I will probably dry some and see if I ever make
    use of them. And put up some plain sauce -- I normally do a seasoned
    pasta sauce with meat, but have lots on the shelves.

    we had flowers pretty quickly after the plants went in the
    ground but i removed the first flowers as those tomatoes are
    usually very hard to pick off the plants as they are so wedged
    in the branches and the tomato cages. this is the first time
    in many years i did that just to see if it makes that much of
    a difference. the plants are putting on some fruits now so
    the bees have been doing their thing. i see some of the native
    bees working those flowers, but also some good rains will ding
    the flowers enough to get them to set fruits. and in a pinch
    if it is hot and dry i'll give the plants a good watering as
    we have to keep some water on the clay soil here or it will
    start cracking and it puts too much stress on the plants
    (which leads to BER later).

    it's raining now so it's all working out ok so far.


    I also want to experiment with some small batches of ketchup. I
    bought a bottle months ago and it is so sweet that I can't use it.


    Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
    vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
    And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
    didn't look long.)

    cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
    more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
    any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

    beans i need to pick and cook some up, but i'm not picking
    in the rain. Monday it is.

    the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't
    bothered these peas at all when i planted them last year so i
    wasn't thinking i had to keep that close an eye on them and i
    had a nice crop of seeds drying down on the plants. had i
    known i could have picked the pods a few weeks ago and dried
    them inside where it is safer... :( ah, well, learned that
    lesson...

    i was really disappointed the other day when i went to
    pick some fresh pods for eating and saw all the damage of the
    little boogers eating all the seeds out of the pods and
    leaving all those pods behind. i salvaged what i could and
    got enough seeds to dry down all the way and so i can
    replant for next year but i was really looking forwards to
    having enough seeds to share with other people. i really
    like these peas -- so do the critters. now that the pea
    pods and seeds are gone to tempt them i hope they don't
    switch over to the beans, but i'll have to keep an eye on
    things and have the air rifle handy. i've kept the
    population down to a reasonable size this year so this
    caught me by surprise. always sumpthin'... :) we've had
    moles running all over this year under the mulch and
    gravel and it's hard to trap those when you don't really
    have any open garden spaces nearby that they've gone into.


    songbird

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 23 09:26:36 2021
    On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 07:20:08 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:


    it's been such a strange year this season that i'm glad to see
    anything on the tomato plants at all. it will be two weeks or
    longer yet before we start seeing ripening. disease pressure
    here also is starting off. i won't spray or pull leaves off or
    mulch, i've tried all those approaches and it makes no sense for
    me to bother. the plants all end up looking bad by the end of
    the season but they've got fruits and we get results enough and
    that is fine for me. i don't want to use fungicides in general
    because all you are really doing is selecting for fungi that
    can survive being poisoned and that's not a good thing. the
    best soil community creatures for dealing with fungi are worms
    as they are bacteria factories and the bacteria and fungi have
    been in competition for millions of years. i vastly prefer to
    let them keep sorting it out. :)

    i hope for resistant plants enough instead and in past years
    we've had some that have done better than other years. the
    past two years the plants weren't as resistant as the plants
    we previously (all are beefsteak varieties).

    Bad year for that cursed wilt. I have switched over a lot of my tomato
    growing to various cherries to try to let the crop beat out the worst
    of the wilt.

    I know there is nothing I have tried over the past 35 years that will
    eliminate it in any natural way. Been there. Done that. Lots of times.
    The weather seems to have as much bearing on it as anything. And yes,
    as does variety, but even that varies by the year.

    I save seeds from those varieties that seem to do best and sometimes
    Mother Nature cooperates the next year or two, and sometimes not.

    The weather has been chaotic enough there that there is some BER on
    one variety . Again, I find the cherries do not suffer from that in my
    garden. Maybe just luck.



    cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
    more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
    any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

    Weather had not been kind to the cukes this year, either, except one
    odd variety of Italian cukes that are the size of a softball.

    https://carosellopugliese.blogspot.com/2020/02/carosello-tondo-barese-coltivato-nel.html

    Green beans are ok, both the bush and long reds. Nice, yellow
    peppers, too.

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  • From Drew Lawson@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jul 23 19:09:12 2021
    In article <88lqsh-bj2.ln1@anthive.com>
    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
    Drew Lawson wrote:

    Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
    vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
    And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
    didn't look long.)

    cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
    more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
    any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

    My trouble with cucumbers is that I don't get a lot at one time.
    The primary goal is relish, so I need enough for a batch while they
    are still young and firm. Since I haven't managed that, I get
    watery relish.

    I'm hoping I have enough planted this year.


    the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't

    Ten years ago it was rare for me to see a chipmunk. Now there are
    at least two burrows I know of in our yard, and I see them all over
    the neigborhood. As yet they haven't caused me troubles, so I still
    think they are cute.

    And they give the cats something to watch through the windows.


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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Drew Lawson on Sun Jul 25 09:50:14 2021
    Drew Lawson wrote:
    In article <88lqsh-bj2.ln1@anthive.com>
    songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
    Drew Lawson wrote:

    Nothing yet for the beans or cucumbers, except for returning rogue
    vines to the appropriate cages. Lots of cucumber blossoms, though.
    And a couple finger-sized fruit. (Probably more hiding, but I
    didn't look long.)

    cucumbers here were always productive and ended up having
    more than we could eat or give away. we decided to not grow
    any this year at all as we needed the space for other things.

    My trouble with cucumbers is that I don't get a lot at one time.
    The primary goal is relish, so I need enough for a batch while they
    are still young and firm. Since I haven't managed that, I get
    watery relish.

    I'm hoping I have enough planted this year.

    two years ago we had 15 cucumber plants. i put up
    about 100 quarts of dill pickles and gave away many
    hundreds of pounds of cucumbers, i also did make some
    sweet pickles because Mom uses those in a few recipes
    of hers. last year we had 4 cucumber plants and that
    was even too many so this year we just decided to give
    them a pass and use the space for other things instead.


    the chipmunks got most of my pea seed harvest. they hadn't

    Ten years ago it was rare for me to see a chipmunk. Now there are
    at least two burrows I know of in our yard, and I see them all over
    the neigborhood. As yet they haven't caused me troubles, so I still
    think they are cute.

    And they give the cats something to watch through the windows.

    we have semi-feral or neighbor's cats that come through
    for hunting. i rarely see them leaving without something
    in their mouth.

    some years ago it was way too busy around here with
    chipmunks running all over the place so we set up traps
    for them which really worked. within a few weeks i'd
    trapped over 50 of them. they will always be around
    but i don't want that many - i'd never get a strawberry
    if i had that many raiding the patch.


    songbird

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