• Blackberry prune questin

    From T@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 1 00:18:35 2021
    Hi All,

    My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
    still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
    go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
    ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
    them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
    ones?

    Many thanks,
    -T

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 1 06:42:28 2021
    On 6/1/2021 2:18 AM, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
    still no flowers or fruit).  Each spring, the branches
    go green with leaves, but some don't.  On the dead
    ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
    them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
    ones?

    Many thanks,
    -T

    If these are "wild" blackberries , they fruit on last year's growth .
    Those canes die after fruiting and can be pruned - in fact they must be
    pruned or you end up with a big mess of dead canes in the way of picking
    any fruit . And I have the scars to prove it , that's why I planted
    thornless .
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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 1 10:06:59 2021
    T wrote:
    Hi All,

    My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
    still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
    go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
    ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
    them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
    ones?

    in an arid environment dead material is valuable as
    mulch and protection against the wind drying things out.

    thorny mulch may not be the best material but when
    nothing else is available it would have to do.

    around here, as much as i can i get things buried
    once i know they're done. that way the worms and
    fungi can get to work on them asap.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 1 15:32:46 2021
    On 6/1/21 4:42 AM, Snag wrote:
    On 6/1/2021 2:18 AM, T wrote:
    Hi All,

    My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
    still no flowers or fruit).  Each spring, the branches
    go green with leaves, but some don't.  On the dead
    ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
    them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
    ones?

    Many thanks,
    -T

      If these are "wild" blackberries , they fruit on last year's growth . Those canes die after fruiting and can be pruned - in fact they must be pruned or you end up with a big mess of dead canes in the way of picking
    any fruit . And I have the scars to prove it , that's why I planted thornless .

    They are Arapaho Blackberries.

    Pruned they are!

    I have new growth this year and some old growth
    on old canes. Have no seen any flowers yet.

    Canes. I never knew what those branches were
    called.

    Thank you!

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to songbird on Tue Jun 1 19:25:46 2021
    On 6/1/2021 9:06 AM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    Hi All,

    My Blackberry plants are three years old now (and
    still no flowers or fruit). Each spring, the branches
    go green with leaves, but some don't. On the dead
    ones, do I let mother nature take its cource and
    them fall off naturally or should I prune the dead
    ones?

    in an arid environment dead material is valuable as
    mulch and protection against the wind drying things out.

    thorny mulch may not be the best material but when
    nothing else is available it would have to do.

    around here, as much as i can i get things buried
    once i know they're done. that way the worms and
    fungi can get to work on them asap.


    songbird


    His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 1 18:18:43 2021
    On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:

      His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .

    How many years did it take yours to fruit?

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  • From Snag@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 1 22:20:04 2021
    On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
    On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:

       His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .

    How many years did it take yours to fruit?


    They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very
    stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
    been a problem .
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  • From T@21:1/5 to Snag on Tue Jun 1 20:24:05 2021
    On 6/1/21 8:20 PM, Snag wrote:
    On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
    On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:

       His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .

    How many years did it take yours to fruit?


    They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
    been a problem .

    One of my four is all total new growth. All four
    are on their third year. I made sure they (everyone)
    was watered in the winter.

    All three on my Choke Berries are fine. And my
    Goji and loving life. My back hurts just thinking
    of picking them. I have a months or so before
    that starts. Chock's are much easier to pick:
    one once in the fall.

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to Snag on Wed Jun 2 07:54:21 2021
    On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 22:20:04 -0500, Snag <Snag_one@msn.com> wrote:

    On 6/1/2021 8:18 PM, T wrote:
    On 6/1/21 5:25 PM, Snag wrote:

       His Arapaho's are thornless - I have some in my berry patch .

    How many years did it take yours to fruit?


    They haven't yet ... but they should next spring . Two of our six were >transplanted last spring , 2 were new then - those 4 plants were very >stressed last winter , all top growth was killed by subzero temps . The >remaining 2 were new this spring , cold temps and too much rain have
    been a problem .


    I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
    recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
    or 3 after they went in.

    They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
    wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
    getting rid of.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Boron Elgar on Wed Jun 2 08:49:18 2021
    Boron Elgar wrote:
    ...
    I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
    recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
    or 3 after they went in.

    They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
    wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long getting rid of.

    there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
    raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
    both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
    want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
    what they are like out west.

    acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
    nightmares.


    songbird

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 2 11:12:44 2021
    On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:49:18 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Boron Elgar wrote:
    ...
    I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
    recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
    or 3 after they went in.

    They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
    wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
    getting rid of.

    there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
    raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
    both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
    want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
    what they are like out west.

    acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
    nightmares.


    songbird

    Well understood.

    I used to have a wild raspberry of some sort. The stems were more
    thorn than stem. Torturous things.The berries were enclosed until they
    were almost ripe, but the fruit was so appealing to the wildlife, that
    I never got any. Been digging it out for 25 years.

    The mean things looked a bit like this, plant wise, though the berries differed.

    https://www.edibleeastend.com/2014/07/26/wild-raspberry-season/

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jun 2 11:24:05 2021
    On 6/2/2021 5:49 AM, songbird wrote:
    Boron Elgar wrote:
    ...
    I need to try some other variety of thornless- problem is, I do not
    recall what I have, nor did I by the time they started to fruit a year
    or 3 after they went in.

    They fruit well enough, look great, but they do not have the deep,
    wonderful flavor of the scratch-your-eyes-out old ones I spent so long
    getting rid of.

    there are a few things i'm willing to just buy at the store.
    raspberry seedless jam and blackberry seedless jam. i like
    both of them but i don't want them very often and i sure don't
    want anything around here like a blackberry patch having seen
    what they are like out west.

    acres and acres of blackberry brambles is enough to give me
    nightmares.


    When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
    gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
    I was ready to go picking.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jun 2 19:19:02 2021
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
    gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
    I was ready to go picking.

    the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
    and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
    container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
    don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
    blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)


    songbird

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  • From Boron Elgar@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 2 20:04:48 2021
    On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:19:02 -0400, songbird <songbird@anthive.com>
    wrote:

    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
    gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
    I was ready to go picking.

    the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
    and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
    container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
    don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries, >blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)


    songbird


    Thimbleberries! Shades of growing up in Michigan.

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jun 2 17:29:50 2021
    On 6/2/2021 4:19 PM, songbird wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
    gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
    I was ready to go picking.

    the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
    and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
    container on the hillside. and the bad thing about that was that i
    don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries, blueberries, blackberries, etc. heh. :)

    Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
    raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

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  • From T@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jun 2 18:22:20 2021
    On 6/2/21 5:29 PM, Bob F wrote:
    On 6/2/2021 4:19 PM, songbird wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    When I first moved to Seattle, I loved to go out and pick several
    gallons each year. A couple pairs of jeans and an old leather coat, and
    I was ready to go picking.

       the last time i picked berries in the woods it was thimbleberries
    and i ended up stepping on a rock that gave way and dumped my
    container on the hillside.  and the bad thing about that was that i
    don't really much like thimbleberries as compared to raspberries,
    blueberries, blackberries, etc.  heh.  :)

    Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
    raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

    Do they have seeds and thorns?


    https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/ https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 2 23:04:57 2021
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    Do they have seeds and thorns?


    https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/ https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/

    seeds yes. thorns no.


    songbird

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Wed Jun 2 23:05:38 2021
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    Personally, I love thimble berries. They are a close second to
    raspberries, but a lot harder to find many here.

    they are too cloyingly sweet to me. i like things more
    on the tart side.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Wed Jun 2 20:51:32 2021
    On 6/2/21 8:04 PM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    Do they have seeds and thorns?


    https://morningchores.com/growing-thimbleberries/
    https://nativefoodsnursery.com/thimbleberry/

    seeds yes. thorns no.


    songbird


    Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
    or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

    They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
    are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
    unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

    And since I am Keto, I can taste much lower levels
    of sweetness, which is why I adore chokeberries and
    non-ketos hate (choke on) them

    :-)

    -T

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 3 07:10:18 2021
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
    or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

    seedy.


    They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
    are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
    unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

    you missed my comment about them being cloyingly sweet.

    i doubt they will be happy in an arid environment.
    they're normally found in woodlands. the can tolerate
    full sun, but i don't know that they'd tolerate full
    arid sun and high temperature days.


    And since I am Keto, I can taste much lower levels
    of sweetness, which is why I adore chokeberries and
    non-ketos hate (choke on) them

    :-)


    songbird

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  • From Bob F@21:1/5 to songbird on Thu Jun 3 07:40:19 2021
    On 6/3/2021 4:10 AM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
    or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

    seedy.


    They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
    are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
    unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

    you missed my comment about them being cloyingly sweet.

    i doubt they will be happy in an arid environment.
    they're normally found in woodlands. the can tolerate
    full sun, but i don't know that they'd tolerate full
    arid sun and high temperature days.

    The ones I find (wild) seem to have a pretty short season as far as
    harvesting of fruit. They almost always seem to be in small open areas
    in the woods.

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  • From songbird@21:1/5 to Bob F on Thu Jun 3 10:53:58 2021
    Bob F wrote:
    ...
    The ones I find (wild) seem to have a pretty short season as far as harvesting of fruit. They almost always seem to be in small open areas
    in the woods.

    yes, along the openings edges and along rivers/creeks and such
    that was the normal place to find them.


    songbird

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  • From T@21:1/5 to songbird on Fri Jun 4 13:00:03 2021
    On 6/3/21 4:10 AM, songbird wrote:
    T wrote:
    ...thimbleberries...
    Big seeds like regular blackberries and raspberries
    or little, unnoticeable seeds like Arapaho Blackberries?

    seedy.

    The trophy wife hates seeds.


    They grow in zone 3-7 so idea for me. And since they
    are wild, they will not have been hybridized for
    unnatural levels of carbs. Double idea.

    you missed my comment about them being cloyingly sweet.

    I saw it. I thought you were comparing it to another
    berry. And now I can't find the post to see. Search on body
    did even find it.

    If you find the "cloying", they'd probably make me want to
    puke.


    i doubt they will be happy in an arid environment.
    they're normally found in woodlands. the can tolerate
    full sun, but i don't know that they'd tolerate full
    arid sun and high temperature days.


    And since I am Keto, I can taste much lower levels
    of sweetness, which is why I adore chokeberries and
    non-ketos hate (choke on) them

    :-)


    songbird


    Thank you for stopping me.

    -T

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