• Stargate - Lower left ball gate problem

    From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 01:50:51 2022
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 29 16:39:51 2022
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7

    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

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    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 30 13:50:46 2022
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what happens...

    John :-#)#

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    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    In self test work fine, in game not.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 31 07:47:43 2022
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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 31 09:22:22 2022
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test. John :-#)#

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    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the
    sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 31 16:11:26 2022
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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 11:02:01 2022
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into the
    sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade styule switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#

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    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 11:48:57 2022
    initially the problem was the pyramid that rose only 1 cm, then the pyramid settled on its own and the problem moved on to the "lower left ball gate"
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/7dRxN8LYZk6ByDTH6

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 09:01:38 2022
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into
    the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9 https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 10:42:51 2022
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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 11:26:41 2022
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what >>>>>>>> happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out >>>>>> which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch >>>>>> Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective >>>>>> switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes into
    the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of >>>> the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can >>>> cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and >> the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 11:36:21 2022
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes
    into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make >>>> sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp. >> Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#

    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8 https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6 https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 11:59:53 2022
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 14:39:31 2022
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    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 25 04:27:16 2022
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes
    into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch >>>>>>> Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

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    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 1 02:12:48 2022
    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto: >>>> Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball goes
    into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would >>>>>>>>> during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and >>>>> check all switches related to the gate. And others around it.
    John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if
    you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch >> responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#
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    i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 2 02:19:52 2022
    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 19:14:24 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/09/01 2:12 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno giovedì 1 settembre 2022 alle 04:08:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/08/25 4:27 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 23:39:46 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 11:36 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 20:26:47 UTC+2 Evil777 ha scritto:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 19:43:06 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/03 9:01 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno venerdì 3 giugno 2022 alle 02:06:10 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/06/02 11:02 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno mercoledì 1 giugno 2022 alle 01:11:42 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/31 9:22 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno martedì 31 maggio 2022 alle 16:47:59 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/30 1:50 p.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Il giorno lunedì 30 maggio 2022 alle 01:40:05 UTC+2 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2022/05/29 1:50 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    Hi, i have a Stargate and the lower left ball gate does not work, I checked the switches, fuse and the coils and they are all ok, I hope someone can help me.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/bEkadKPBvgS5BVkG7
    Put the game into self test and run the Ball Gate Test and see what
    happens...

    John :-#)#

    In self test work fine, in game not.
    If the gate works in self test then it is OK. You have to figure out
    which switches activate it (or release it) and check those in Switch
    Test. It pretty much has to be a badly adjusted, noisy, or defective
    switch as the computer can control the gate as you proved in the gate test.
    John :-#)#

    the strange thing is that the defect occurs only when the ball touches the switches that should activate the coil of the left ball gate, normally the defect does not manifest itself, for example it does it as in the video when the ball
    goes into the sensor of the Skill shoot, i have check all switch and all ok.
    Is this a blade style switch or a microswitch? If a blade style. make
    sure there is an insulator between the actuator wire and the blades of
    the switch - stray grounding through the ball to other metal items can
    cause weird issues.

    Test the Switches using the pinball and move it exacly as it would
    during game play. Not fast, but the path the ball would take. Switch
    Test may show something then...
    John :-#)#
    when the ball touches the sensor of the Skill Shoot or the blade that defect happens, under the top I took a look but there don't seem to be any cables out of place, where could I check?
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z6jmKnoFHUJf9UUL9
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/1ZRmX4rzWN32arGaA
    The second photo seems to show a Molex plug wedged under the wire ramp.
    Any chance there is an electrical connection between the plug wiring and
    the wire ramp?
    John :-#)#

    yes there is a molex plug underneath but I checked and everything is ok, I also tried to disconnect it and the problem remains.
    All I can suggest at this point is to use the game's Switch Tests and
    check all switches related to the gate. And others around it. >>>>>>> John :-#)#
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/XeggDpXM8BnEREcr8
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/u7WhGg6uC3P2u7rP6
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/8QZPYCWZ3qnonaak8
    In switch test switch 41 "Ball Gate Sensor" is inoperative.
    Then concentrate on #41. Check the wiring, does the switch register if >>>> you move the wire and try manually moving the gate and see if the switch
    responds then.

    Do all other switches work properly in Switch Test?
    John :-#)#

    I John it seems that the problem is not the "A1" switch but an integrated component, could you tell me on which board the A1 switch is connected?
    Sorry, stuck home with Covid, no manual handy. Will try to get an answer >> next week for you when I am better. Not feeling bad, just testing
    positive still.

    John :-#(#


    i'm so sorry, i hope you get negative, i have the manual online: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1u5ROWlTO6zq-i1toZwOx6cf5yxb-LT49/view

    Please take the manual down as it violates international copyright law
    to have it posted. Don't want you getting in trouble!

    John :-#)#
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    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."
    Ok i have delete my post with link.

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 04:28:01 2023
    I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
    Thanks

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  • From John Robertson@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 4 11:46:37 2023
    On 2023/01/04 4:28 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
    Thanks

    Hi!

    I don't have a Stargate in the shop so I can't trace the wiring. Looking
    at my manual I can't find where the Motor Interface Board (A28 - see
    page 56) is connected to anything in the cabinet! I assume this is for
    the motor for the Pyramid...

    At this point I would ask you to trace the control lines from A28-P1
    back to the control boards to figure out what the control logic is. If
    you can find the wire colours and where they go that will help!

    Looks like Gottlieb simply forgot to document that in the Instruction Manual...and rummaging through my 1995 Service Bulletins doesn't give
    any help other than the following 2 notes for Stargate: ---------------------------
    Changed page 25 and 56
    "F26" should be 2-1/2 Amp Slo-Blo Fuse, EL-21

    Changed Page 76
    Spaceship and Bracket Assembly 31308 (Corrected Part Number) ---------------------------



    John :-#(#
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    John's Jukes Ltd.
    #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

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  • From Evil777@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 05:17:17 2023
    Il giorno mercoledì 4 gennaio 2023 alle 20:46:47 UTC+1 John Robertson ha scritto:
    On 2023/01/04 4:28 a.m., Evil777 wrote:
    I John Robertson, do you know the ic (integrated circuit) that manages to raise the pyramid?
    Thanks
    Hi!

    I don't have a Stargate in the shop so I can't trace the wiring. Looking
    at my manual I can't find where the Motor Interface Board (A28 - see
    page 56) is connected to anything in the cabinet! I assume this is for
    the motor for the Pyramid...

    At this point I would ask you to trace the control lines from A28-P1
    back to the control boards to figure out what the control logic is. If
    you can find the wire colours and where they go that will help!

    Looks like Gottlieb simply forgot to document that in the Instruction Manual...and rummaging through my 1995 Service Bulletins doesn't give
    any help other than the following 2 notes for Stargate: ---------------------------
    Changed page 25 and 56
    "F26" should be 2-1/2 Amp Slo-Blo Fuse, EL-21

    Changed Page 76
    Spaceship and Bracket Assembly 31308 (Corrected Part Number) ---------------------------



    John :-#(#
    --
    (Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
    John's Jukes Ltd.
    #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
    (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
    www.flippers.com
    "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

    Thanks i try it

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