On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 12:36 p.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:48:12 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 10:58 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:12:51 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 5:54 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:39:33 AM UTC-7, dimpe...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> I think they have their place in the pinball world. The Arcade 1ups and the ATgames virtual machines are pretty popular. The Atgames virtual pinball machines are still hard to get and sell out in less than an hour when in stock. I think the

ATgames ones allow you to hook pinball FX through them as well and can play arcade games through them. One of the nice things is that they have some virtual/digital leader boards and gives owners something to work to beat. I do think these cheaper
virtual pinballs are giving people a cheaper entry point into having their owning their pinball machine. I also think that the cheap virtual machines are introducing more people to pinball.

With that being said, I have built and sold two virtual pinball machines. I prefer the real thing over the virtual machines. The problem with some of the virtual pinball is that some tables can lag and the sound can be off. These things detract

from the fun when playing the virtual machines. I for one enjoy working on my real machines trying to keep them working and looking good. When I have people over, they tend to gravitate towards the real pinball machines and not the virtual pinball
machine.

I didnt think they were worth it..Theres a guy in the UK who builds them ..thepinballking.. and he could'nt even tell me the list of games that come with his machines..they range in price from $1.2k..$5.7k...He gets 5 stars on his reviews but

cant even tell me what pins are on it..what kind of moron builds a game that expensive and cant let the buyer know this..like stern selling me a pin with a surprize title ..dont think ill have any in my lineup anytime soom..thx for the know..

He probably can't tell you because he is worried about copyright
legalities and being sued out of existence. Most machines are not legal >>>> in any way, shape or form so folks selling them have to operate under >>>> the radar...
John ;-#)#

so then how does all the artwork that's on his cabinets get copyrighted..Hes got TZ ,Acdc,Simpsons,MM,and other high end titles that look just like factory artwork on them?

It isn't probably copyrighted, but copied. As such, if unlicensed, then >> he is liable for copyright infringement. Game artwork used on
playfields, backglasses and cabinets is all copyrighted these days (
since the early 70s in fact).

If he is licensed by Gottlieb LLC and Scientific Games then fine, but I >> suspect not, and so he can't provide you with a list as you may be a
lawyer looking to pin him to the wall...
John ;-#)#

if you look at his web site you'll see some pretty convinceing pins and most lawyers would of shut him down a long time ago..im no laywer just a 80's metal pin head with plenty of $ for my toys but was'nt sure on these

These guys come and go...I've seen any number of shops making virtual
pins. They rarely last more than a couple of years.

As for copyrights, it is his problem as the seller, not yours as the
buyer as far as I know. Just make sure you can fix the machine if this
guy vanishes.
John :-#)#

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"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

Ok..so before i blow $3K on this ( thought id make an obo offer) in you opinion would i be getting ripped off or is this machine legit and as close to the real deal as you can get without buying the real deal..Playability most important..thx

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On 2021/06/15 11:25 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-7, diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 12:36 p.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:48:12 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 10:58 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:12:51 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> On 2021/05/11 5:54 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:39:33 AM UTC-7, dimpe...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> I think they have their place in the pinball world. The Arcade 1ups and the ATgames virtual machines are pretty popular. The Atgames virtual pinball machines are still hard to get and sell out in less than an hour when in stock. I think the

ATgames ones allow you to hook pinball FX through them as well and can play arcade games through them. One of the nice things is that they have some virtual/digital leader boards and gives owners something to work to beat. I do think these cheaper
virtual pinballs are giving people a cheaper entry point into having their owning their pinball machine. I also think that the cheap virtual machines are introducing more people to pinball.

With that being said, I have built and sold two virtual pinball machines. I prefer the real thing over the virtual machines. The problem with some of the virtual pinball is that some tables can lag and the sound can be off. These things detract

from the fun when playing the virtual machines. I for one enjoy working on my real machines trying to keep them working and looking good. When I have people over, they tend to gravitate towards the real pinball machines and not the virtual pinball
machine.

I didnt think they were worth it..Theres a guy in the UK who builds them ..thepinballking.. and he could'nt even tell me the list of games that come with his machines..they range in price from $1.2k..$5.7k...He gets 5 stars on his reviews but

cant even tell me what pins are on it..what kind of moron builds a game that expensive and cant let the buyer know this..like stern selling me a pin with a surprize title ..dont think ill have any in my lineup anytime soom..thx for the know..

He probably can't tell you because he is worried about copyright >>>>>>> legalities and being sued out of existence. Most machines are not legal >>>>>>> in any way, shape or form so folks selling them have to operate under >>>>>>> the radar...
John ;-#)#

so then how does all the artwork that's on his cabinets get copyrighted..Hes got TZ ,Acdc,Simpsons,MM,and other high end titles that look just like factory artwork on them?

It isn't probably copyrighted, but copied. As such, if unlicensed, then >>>>> he is liable for copyright infringement. Game artwork used on
playfields, backglasses and cabinets is all copyrighted these days ( >>>>> since the early 70s in fact).

If he is licensed by Gottlieb LLC and Scientific Games then fine, but I >>>>> suspect not, and so he can't provide you with a list as you may be a >>>>> lawyer looking to pin him to the wall...
John ;-#)#

if you look at his web site you'll see some pretty convinceing pins and most lawyers would of shut him down a long time ago..im no laywer just a 80's metal pin head with plenty of $ for my toys but was'nt sure on these

These guys come and go...I've seen any number of shops making virtual
pins. They rarely last more than a couple of years.

As for copyrights, it is his problem as the seller, not yours as the
buyer as far as I know. Just make sure you can fix the machine if this
guy vanishes.
John :-#)#

Ok..so before i blow $3K on this ( thought id make an obo offer) in you opinion would i be getting ripped off or is this machine legit and as close to the real deal as you can get without buying the real deal..Playability most important..thx

opps..E bay item #114713882433

Can't advise for that auction or any for that matter.

Go the the virtual pin forums and see what they say about the games and
how they work. Some are better than others.

Biggest problems I've seen are screen contrast, viewing angles, and
flipper delays.

John :-#)#

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MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
(604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-7, diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 12:36 p.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:48:12 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 10:58 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:12:51 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote: >>>> On 2021/05/11 5:54 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:39:33 AM UTC-7, dimpe...@gmail.com wrote:

I think they have their place in the pinball world. The Arcade 1ups and the ATgames virtual machines are pretty popular. The Atgames virtual pinball machines are still hard to get and sell out in less than an hour when in stock. I think the

ATgames ones allow you to hook pinball FX through them as well and can play arcade games through them. One of the nice things is that they have some virtual/digital leader boards and gives owners something to work to beat. I do think these cheaper
virtual pinballs are giving people a cheaper entry point into having their owning their pinball machine. I also think that the cheap virtual machines are introducing more people to pinball.

With that being said, I have built and sold two virtual pinball machines. I prefer the real thing over the virtual machines. The problem with some of the virtual pinball is that some tables can lag and the sound can be off. These things

detract from the fun when playing the virtual machines. I for one enjoy working on my real machines trying to keep them working and looking good. When I have people over, they tend to gravitate towards the real pinball machines and not the virtual
pinball machine.

I didnt think they were worth it..Theres a guy in the UK who builds them ..thepinballking.. and he could'nt even tell me the list of games that come with his machines..they range in price from $1.2k..$5.7k...He gets 5 stars on his reviews but

cant even tell me what pins are on it..what kind of moron builds a game that expensive and cant let the buyer know this..like stern selling me a pin with a surprize title ..dont think ill have any in my lineup anytime soom..thx for the know..

He probably can't tell you because he is worried about copyright
legalities and being sued out of existence. Most machines are not legal
in any way, shape or form so folks selling them have to operate under >>>> the radar...
John ;-#)#

so then how does all the artwork that's on his cabinets get copyrighted..Hes got TZ ,Acdc,Simpsons,MM,and other high end titles that look just like factory artwork on them?

It isn't probably copyrighted, but copied. As such, if unlicensed, then >> he is liable for copyright infringement. Game artwork used on
playfields, backglasses and cabinets is all copyrighted these days (
since the early 70s in fact).

If he is licensed by Gottlieb LLC and Scientific Games then fine, but I >> suspect not, and so he can't provide you with a list as you may be a
lawyer looking to pin him to the wall...
John ;-#)#

if you look at his web site you'll see some pretty convinceing pins and most lawyers would of shut him down a long time ago..im no laywer just a 80's metal pin head with plenty of $ for my toys but was'nt sure on these

These guys come and go...I've seen any number of shops making virtual pins. They rarely last more than a couple of years.

As for copyrights, it is his problem as the seller, not yours as the
buyer as far as I know. Just make sure you can fix the machine if this
guy vanishes.
John :-#)#

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(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd.
MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
(604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

Ok..so before i blow $3K on this ( thought id make an obo offer) in you opinion would i be getting ripped off or is this machine legit and as close to the real deal as you can get without buying the real deal..Playability most important..thx

opps..E bay item #114713882433

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On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 2:41:09 PM UTC-4, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/06/15 11:25 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, June 15, 2021 at 11:04:56 AM UTC-7, diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:

On 2021/05/11 12:36 p.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 11:48:12 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote: >>>>> On 2021/05/11 10:58 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 8:12:51 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> On 2021/05/11 5:54 a.m., diana anderson wrote:

On Monday, May 10, 2021 at 8:39:33 AM UTC-7, dimpe...@gmail.com wrote:

I think they have their place in the pinball world. The Arcade 1ups and the ATgames virtual machines are pretty popular. The Atgames virtual pinball machines are still hard to get and sell out in less than an hour when in stock. I think the

ATgames ones allow you to hook pinball FX through them as well and can play arcade games through them. One of the nice things is that they have some virtual/digital leader boards and gives owners something to work to beat. I do think these cheaper
virtual pinballs are giving people a cheaper entry point into having their owning their pinball machine. I also think that the cheap virtual machines are introducing more people to pinball.

With that being said, I have built and sold two virtual pinball machines. I prefer the real thing over the virtual machines. The problem with some of the virtual pinball is that some tables can lag and the sound can be off. These things

detract from the fun when playing the virtual machines. I for one enjoy working on my real machines trying to keep them working and looking good. When I have people over, they tend to gravitate towards the real pinball machines and not the virtual
pinball machine.

I didnt think they were worth it..Theres a guy in the UK who builds them ..thepinballking.. and he could'nt even tell me the list of games that come with his machines..they range in price from $1.2k..$5.7k...He gets 5 stars on his reviews but

cant even tell me what pins are on it..what kind of moron builds a game that expensive and cant let the buyer know this..like stern selling me a pin with a surprize title ..dont think ill have any in my lineup anytime soom..thx for the know..

He probably can't tell you because he is worried about copyright >>>>>>> legalities and being sued out of existence. Most machines are not legal
in any way, shape or form so folks selling them have to operate under
the radar...
John ;-#)#

so then how does all the artwork that's on his cabinets get copyrighted..Hes got TZ ,Acdc,Simpsons,MM,and other high end titles that look just like factory artwork on them?

It isn't probably copyrighted, but copied. As such, if unlicensed, then
he is liable for copyright infringement. Game artwork used on
playfields, backglasses and cabinets is all copyrighted these days ( >>>>> since the early 70s in fact).

If he is licensed by Gottlieb LLC and Scientific Games then fine, but I
suspect not, and so he can't provide you with a list as you may be a >>>>> lawyer looking to pin him to the wall...
John ;-#)#

if you look at his web site you'll see some pretty convinceing pins and most lawyers would of shut him down a long time ago..im no laywer just a 80's metal pin head with plenty of $ for my toys but was'nt sure on these

These guys come and go...I've seen any number of shops making virtual >>> pins. They rarely last more than a couple of years.

As for copyrights, it is his problem as the seller, not yours as the
buyer as far as I know. Just make sure you can fix the machine if this >>> guy vanishes.
John :-#)#

Ok..so before i blow $3K on this ( thought id make an obo offer) in you opinion would i be getting ripped off or is this machine legit and as close to the real deal as you can get without buying the real deal..Playability most important..thx

opps..E bay item #114713882433

Can't advise for that auction or any for that matter.

Go the the virtual pin forums and see what they say about the games and
how they work. Some are better than others.

Biggest problems I've seen are screen contrast, viewing angles, and
flipper delays.
John :-#)#

--
(Please post followups or tech inquiries to the USENET newsgroup)
John's Jukes Ltd.
MOVED to #7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
(604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
www.flippers.com
"Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

I built a crude VP table with 2 monitors. I enjoy pinball, but by no means am I a purist, pinhead or die hard. I have a very limited budget and can't afford to have a big money collection. For me, VP was a great opportunity to play when I wanted a pile
of good machines that I couldn't otherwise afford. It may not be perfect, but for the average person that wants to play pinball, its worth it. My friends were blown away by it. Someday I'd build another. Not sure about buying a pre-configured one though.

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