• The Bane of Life: [m2d] Investigator mode: Clueless

    From oxtail@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 12 00:00:26 2016
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    [m2d] I'm not even sure what happened.

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much. There are much to be
    grateful. But there is this nagging suspicion that I was railroaded. I
    wonder why:

    [This is a good place to introduce Dukkha. There are many different ways
    to classify all kinds of Dukkha. The usual eight type one might not work
    well in this game. Time to research for a better one.]

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  • From Nobody in Particular@21:1/5 to oxtail on Thu Feb 11 16:51:26 2016
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    On 2/11/2016 4:00 PM, oxtail wrote:

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much.

    Maybe this will help your suffering:

    Stop trying to project the illusion of a being wise counselor, hoping to
    find someone who will genuflect to that illusion of your ego.

    Perhaps, even admit to yourself that you're just as clueless as the rest
    of us.

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  • From {:-])))@21:1/5 to oxtail on Thu Feb 11 16:22:27 2016
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    oxtail wrote:

    [m2d] I'm not even sure what happened.

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much. There are much to be
    grateful. But there is this nagging suspicion that I was railroaded. I
    wonder why:

    [This is a good place to introduce Dukkha. There are many different ways
    to classify all kinds of Dukkha. The usual eight type one might not work
    well in this game. Time to research for a better one.]

    In the game plan, it's all in.

    Going all in, desiring to help others,
    can be the stuff martyrs are made of.

    In order to reach those who suffer most,
    one tends to need to suffer even more.

    Beneath the bottomless pit are
    the everlasting arms.

    The railroads to hell are paved
    with what are called good intentions.

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to Nobody in Particular on Fri Feb 12 01:55:09 2016
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    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 4:00 PM, oxtail wrote:

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much.

    Maybe this will help your suffering:

    Stop trying to project the illusion of a being wise counselor, hoping to
    find someone who will genuflect to that illusion of your ego.

    Perhaps, even admit to yourself that you're just as clueless as the rest
    of us.

    I'm not as clueless you are.
    I never pretended to be awakened.
    But I have pretty good idea how to get there.
    Just too lazy to get there by just sitting.
    I might as well enjoy getting there
    by pretending to write a computer game.
    Why don't you do something you find meaningful
    other than being jealous of everyone else?

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  • From Nobody in Particular@21:1/5 to oxtail on Thu Feb 11 18:24:33 2016
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    On 2/11/2016 5:55 PM, oxtail wrote:
    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 4:00 PM, oxtail wrote:

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much.

    Maybe this will help your suffering:

    Stop trying to project the illusion of a being wise counselor, hoping to
    find someone who will genuflect to that illusion of your ego.

    Perhaps, even admit to yourself that you're just as clueless as the rest
    of us.

    I'm not as clueless you are.
    I never pretended to be awakened.
    But I have pretty good idea how to get there.

    Does it crucially depend on being adored?

    Just too lazy to get there by just sitting.
    I might as well enjoy getting there
    by pretending to write a computer game.

    Good for you.
    I'm certain you will let us know how it works out.

    Why don't you do something you find meaningful
    other than being jealous of everyone else?

    Feel free to ignore me.
    Why do you keep reading me?
    Still hoping for some sort of praise?

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 12 03:02:49 2016
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    {:-]))) wrote:

    oxtail wrote:

    [m2d] I'm not even sure what happened.

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much. There are much to be
    grateful. But there is this nagging suspicion that I was railroaded. I >>wonder why:

    [This is a good place to introduce Dukkha. There are many different ways
    to classify all kinds of Dukkha. The usual eight type one might not work >>well in this game. Time to research for a better one.]

    In the game plan, it's all in.

    Going all in, desiring to help others, can be the stuff martyrs are made
    of.

    In order to reach those who suffer most,
    one tends to need to suffer even more.

    Beneath the bottomless pit are the everlasting arms.

    The railroads to hell are paved with what are called good intentions.

    I help myself pretending to try to help others.
    Do you suffer at all in your worst moments?
    Any idea in how many ways you suffer?

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to Nobody in Particular on Fri Feb 12 03:00:00 2016
    XPost: rec.arts.int-fiction, alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.zen

    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 5:55 PM, oxtail wrote:
    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 4:00 PM, oxtail wrote:

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much.

    Maybe this will help your suffering:

    Stop trying to project the illusion of a being wise counselor, hoping
    to find someone who will genuflect to that illusion of your ego.

    Perhaps, even admit to yourself that you're just as clueless as the
    rest of us.

    I'm not as clueless you are.
    I never pretended to be awakened.
    But I have pretty good idea how to get there.

    Does it crucially depend on being adored?

    Just too lazy to get there by just sitting.
    I might as well enjoy getting there by pretending to write a computer
    game.

    Good for you.
    I'm certain you will let us know how it works out.

    Why don't you do something you find meaningful other than being jealous
    of everyone else?

    Feel free to ignore me.
    Why do you keep reading me?
    Still hoping for some sort of praise?

    Compassion.
    You might be better off ignored.
    But do play my game, please.

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  • From {:-])))@21:1/5 to oxtail on Fri Feb 12 05:56:50 2016
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    oxtail wrote and asked me:

    Do you suffer at all in your worst moments?

    I suffer usually every day.

    In my worst moments the moments last all day.

    Any idea in how many ways you suffer?

    In as many ways as there are to not accept
    what ever is seen as being less than desired.

    There are many ways to wish.
    One of them involves two.
    Three can be too.

    Among the 10k ways to suffer
    I can imagine 10k others who are
    connected to me in various degrees.

    As long as they suffer, I suffer.

    From the lab oratory mouse
    to the refugees in camps worldwide,
    as long as any are not as they would be
    if only they had their druthers.

    I'd rather the world be other
    than how it is when people suffer.

    I would not suffer for others
    except I do when others suffer.

    When I see there are no others
    with any self to suffer then suffering
    occurs all the same except without
    there being any one to suffer.

    Aside from me.

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  • From Nobody in Particular@21:1/5 to oxtail on Thu Feb 11 19:20:27 2016
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    On 2/11/2016 7:00 PM, oxtail wrote:
    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 5:55 PM, oxtail wrote:
    Nobody in Particular wrote:

    On 2/11/2016 4:00 PM, oxtail wrote:

    I'm not even sure why I'm suffering so much.

    Maybe this will help your suffering:

    Stop trying to project the illusion of a being wise counselor, hoping
    to find someone who will genuflect to that illusion of your ego.

    Perhaps, even admit to yourself that you're just as clueless as the
    rest of us.

    I'm not as clueless you are.
    I never pretended to be awakened.
    But I have pretty good idea how to get there.

    Does it crucially depend on being adored?

    Just too lazy to get there by just sitting.
    I might as well enjoy getting there by pretending to write a computer
    game.

    Good for you.
    I'm certain you will let us know how it works out.

    Why don't you do something you find meaningful other than being jealous
    of everyone else?

    Feel free to ignore me.
    Why do you keep reading me?
    Still hoping for some sort of praise?

    Compassion.
    You might be better off ignored.
    But do play my game, please.

    Hoping for compassion for your suffering?
    That's a completely different situation; perhaps i misjudged.
    Tell me more.

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 12 18:47:07 2016
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    {:-]))) wrote:

    oxtail wrote and asked me:

    Do you suffer at all in your worst moments?

    I suffer usually every day.

    In my worst moments the moments last all day.

    Any idea in how many ways you suffer?

    In as many ways as there are to not accept what ever is seen as being
    less than desired.

    There are many ways to wish.
    One of them involves two.
    Three can be too.

    Among the 10k ways to suffer I can imagine 10k others who are connected
    to me in various degrees.

    As long as they suffer, I suffer.

    From the lab oratory mouse to the refugees in camps worldwide,
    as long as any are not as they would be if only they had their druthers.

    I'd rather the world be other than how it is when people suffer.

    I would not suffer for others except I do when others suffer.

    When I see there are no others with any self to suffer then suffering
    occurs all the same except without there being any one to suffer.

    Aside from me.

    Do you have any reasonably playable
    classification of several kinds of Dukkha?

    There is this "three patterns" of Dukkha.
    CF. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dukkha
    These patterns can be viewed as the levels
    of sophistication or understanding.
    Rather difficult to implement as questions.

    I would love to quote some stories of Chan/Seon/Zen encounter,
    but they can be too distracting.
    For now, I'll be sticking to simple and direct questions
    and multiple choice menus.
    The players will decide the level
    of sophistication they want to play.

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  • From rpresser@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 15 22:34:38 2016
    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do with your useless diatribes.

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  • From Peter Piers@21:1/5 to rpresser on Tue Feb 16 14:57:03 2016
    On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:34:41 UTC, rpresser wrote:
    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do with your useless diatribes.

    I know it's annoying, but I think that every single participant of this conversation - except you and me - are bots. Best to flag them as abuse to hide them from sight.

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to rpresser on Tue Feb 16 07:08:35 2016
    rpresser wrote:

    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do with
    your useless diatribes.

    Not familiar with Ren'Py?

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to Peter Piers on Wed Feb 17 00:30:55 2016
    Peter Piers wrote:

    On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:34:41 UTC, rpresser wrote:
    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do with
    your useless diatribes.

    I know it's annoying, but I think that every single participant of this conversation - except you and me - are bots. Best to flag them as abuse
    to hide them from sight.

    What software do you use to write interactive fictions?

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  • From Peter Piers@21:1/5 to oxtail on Wed Feb 17 05:49:49 2016
    On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 00:33:53 UTC, oxtail wrote:
    Peter Piers wrote:

    On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:34:41 UTC, rpresser wrote:
    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do with
    your useless diatribes.

    I know it's annoying, but I think that every single participant of this conversation - except you and me - are bots. Best to flag them as abuse
    to hide them from sight.

    What software do you use to write interactive fictions?

    See? They're surprising bots, they are using the correct keyword, but no human would follow that statement with that question.

    Ok, I suppose some would. Until they were heavily slapped with a big enough fish, then maybe they'd grow out of it.

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  • From oxtail@21:1/5 to Peter Piers on Wed Feb 17 16:29:50 2016
    Peter Piers wrote:

    On Wednesday, 17 February 2016 00:33:53 UTC, oxtail wrote:
    Peter Piers wrote:

    On Tuesday, 16 February 2016 06:34:41 UTC, rpresser wrote:
    WILL YOU ASSHOLES PLEASE TRIM THE FOLLOWUPS?

    rec.arts.int-fiction and rec.games.int-fiction have NOTHING to do
    with your useless diatribes.

    I know it's annoying, but I think that every single participant of
    this conversation - except you and me - are bots. Best to flag them
    as abuse to hide them from sight.

    What software do you use to write interactive fictions?

    See? They're surprising bots, they are using the correct keyword, but no human would follow that statement with that question.

    Ok, I suppose some would. Until they were heavily slapped with a big
    enough fish, then maybe they'd grow out of it.

    When was the last time you posted anything relevant here?
    Have you written any interactive fiction yet?

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