In EvilHack I entered a partly lit open level in the main dungeon
that was surrounded by water and had a lava area in the mid. This
level (dlvl: 11) has the portal to the Quest. I read a scroll of
light while in a dark part and got:
As you read the scroll, it disappears. A lit field surrounds you!
You have a vague sense of guilt. It gets angry!
You have a vague sense of guilt. It gets angry!
Some centauri on the level got angry - my race is also centaur -,
but why that message (and an alignment penalty) for lighting the
area? - Can someone explain what was wrong in this specific case?
(I then found and entered the quest home level; nothing seems to
be wrong there. But with only XL:13 and those two alignment hits
I may not be admitted to enter.)
BTW, I killed those centauri but got no "murderer" message for
killing formerly peaceful monsters of my own race, and my ESP was
still intact. - Is that penalty only for humans?
On 27.02.2023 07:07, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
You have a vague sense of guilt. [alignment penalty]
A penalty followed later! After finishing the nemesis I went back
to the quest leader. To my surprise he demanded to get the quest
artifact from me. Doh! I inspected the sources and it seems that
all effort was for nothing. I can hand it over or refuse. Handing
it over will give me some alignment and luck bonuses. Refusing to
do that will give me another huge alignment penalty and will upset
all the quest guards and the quest leader. In addition the quest
will not count as fulfilled until the quest leader gets killed.
There's some comment about the Bell of Opening getting cursed or
not depending on what you've done; but 'cursed' is set in quotes,
so I fear that this curse might not even allow me to complete the
game (but I don't know).
In EvilHack [...]
Some centauri on the level got angry - my race is also centaur -,
but why that message (and an alignment penalty) for lighting the
area? - Can someone explain what was wrong in this specific case?
On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:07:54 PM UTC-8, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
In EvilHack [...]
It's based on 3.7, or at least includes a lot of features which will
be in 3.7 once that gets released. One of those features is that
peaceful monsters can be angered if they observe you attack
another peaceful monster.
Some centauri on the level got angry - my race is also centaur -,
but why that message (and an alignment penalty) for lighting the
area? - Can someone explain what was wrong in this specific case?
Scroll, wand, and spell of light are treated as an attack against
gremlins. If I had to guess, I'd say that you hit a peaceful one
with the light and those centaurs saw that happen. But that's
just a guess.
[...] I saw a message (later or other game)
that indicated that some monster got "hit" (or so) or annoyed by
a zap from a random wand of light. (That was in front of a shop;
can I anger even shopkeepers by that?)
The strange thing in the centaur game was that there was not any
of the angered centauri within the radius of the light source.
Some centauri on the level got angry - my race is also centaur -,
but why that message (and an alignment penalty) for lighting the
area? - Can someone explain what was wrong in this specific case?
Scroll, wand, and spell of light are treated as an attack against
gremlins. If I had to guess, I'd say that you hit a peaceful one
with the light and those centaurs saw that happen. But that's
just a guess.
On 28.02.2023 09:30, Pat Rankin wrote:
Some centauri on the level got angry - my race is also centaur -,
but why that message (and an alignment penalty) for lighting the
area? - Can someone explain what was wrong in this specific case?
Scroll, wand, and spell of light are treated as an attack against
gremlins. If I had to guess, I'd say that you hit a peaceful one
with the light and those centaurs saw that happen. But that's
just a guess.
My centaurian Valkyrie reached dlvl:20, and found her first attended
altar in the dungeon. (Minetown was just an orcish haunted ruin and
there were no other temples in main dungeon or branches.) Spent tons
of gold (30k) that I was lugging around for 7 points of protection.
This temple is dark though, and I am tempted to lighten that temple
with that co-aligned centaurian priest. Hope that priest won't also
get angry at me given my previous experiences with that unexpected "lighting-attack"...
This temple is dark though, and I am tempted to lighten that temple
with that co-aligned centaurian priest. Hope that priest won't also
get angry at me given my previous experiences with that unexpected
"lighting-attack"...
Okay, he's still peaceful, but did I blind him by reading that scroll
of light?
Status of the centaurian priestess of Odin (female, neutral):
Level 13 HP 57(57) AC -17, peaceful, blind.
That might indeed be considered an attack. And these "wild" centauri
from the other game (see above) might react differently and may have
got hostile. (Just speculating.)
To speculate further: If the priest was blind from the beginning, [...]
Stay careful and good luck! ;-)
On Wed, 15 Mar 2023 07:24:59 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
[Escape basilisk stoning attack]
Self-teleported randomly, landed in the same room.
Hm, that's /evil/. - The name of the game seems to be well-chosen. ;-)
Although I don't like excessively hard game mechanics, the episodes of
the EvilHack games you posted nearly make me try it out.
Unfortunately,
I didn't even have time for a single /regular/ Nethack game since - hm - September? <Sigh>
On 15.03.2023 06:58, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
To speculate further: If the priest was blind from the beginning, [...]
I wasn't aware that this is possible.
Self-teleported randomly, landed in the same room.
Tried another teleport (before taking the next bite from my lizard) but
that was wrong. Turned to stone. - The best EvilHack game thus far.
To be honest, I am missing the balance, and there are too many deadly surprises (unexpected or non-derivable) for my taste.
OTOH it's quite quite challenging, and you can also look at all these surprises as exploring (sort of) "a new game" from scratch. (But since
I'm pretty old [Real Life] exploring from scratch is not optimal; I'd
like some reliable logical or known base for the game mechanics.)
Unfortunately,
I didn't even have time for a single /regular/ Nethack game since - hm -
September? <Sigh>
Temporarily interrupting and saving the game is still possible. ;-)
Casting light, or using a wand/scroll of light close to any monster
has a chance of blinding them if they have eyes; if they are peaceful
and were blinded, there's a chance they will become angry. [...]
Being stoned at a distance - that wasn't from the basilisk you
encountered. Beholders have a stoning gaze attack (appear as a brown
'e' in-game). [...]
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