• holy water

    From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 11 09:56:18 2023
    How aggressive is the need to find holy water? Can I get by without diluting any potions?

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Yosemite Sam on Wed Jan 11 21:43:30 2023
    On 11.01.2023 18:56, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    How aggressive is the need to find holy water? Can I get by without
    diluting any potions?

    Of course, but it depends on your actual game.

    I recall that in my very first Nethack games I did not even know
    about holy water.

    But in your case you know about it, so why abstain from diluting
    potions (unless playing some specific conduct)?

    If you just want to avoid fountain effects that's reasonable. But
    then you can (eg. with water walking) also dilute potions in pools,
    or just clear existing potions (confusion, blindness, hallucination)
    with a unicorn horn, or cancel magical potions with the wand/spell.

    Janis

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  • From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Wed Jan 11 22:18:18 2023
    On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:47:39 PM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 11.01.2023 18:56, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    How aggressive is the need to find holy water? Can I get by without diluting any potions?
    Of course, but it depends on your actual game.

    I recall that in my very first Nethack games I did not even know
    about holy water.

    But in your case you know about it, so why abstain from diluting
    potions (unless playing some specific conduct)?

    If you just want to avoid fountain effects that's reasonable. But
    then you can (eg. with water walking) also dilute potions in pools,
    or just clear existing potions (confusion, blindness, hallucination)
    with a unicorn horn, or cancel magical potions with the wand/spell.

    Janis

    I don't know what to make of the fountains disappearing. It seems like
    I could make it unplayable if I am not efficient enough with using them.
    Most of them don't disappear without leaving pools though ime.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Yosemite Sam on Thu Jan 12 08:26:46 2023
    On 12.01.2023 07:18, Yosemite Sam wrote:

    I don't know what to make of the fountains disappearing. It seems like
    I could make it unplayable if I am not efficient enough with using them.
    Most of them don't disappear without leaving pools though ime.

    I don't quite understand what you wrote here. - Do you want fountains
    to not disappear when interacting with them? Do you not want to fiddle
    with the dangers of fountains in the first place?

    You can (and should) avoid fountains if you cannot handle the effects.
    Nymphs, demons, and snakes are all difficult to handle, and especially
    for early game characters it often ends a game quickly.

    In my experience there's rarely a need to dilute potions early game.

    If you want water to dilute potions you can use a pick-axe and dig up
    a fountain to create a pool of water, then go swimming with only the
    items to dilute (unless you have water walking which makes the issue
    more comfortable) in your inventory. That way you avoid the fountain
    effects (and the pool won't vanish).

    Does this answer your questions? (Otherwise please elaborate a bit.)

    Janis

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