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    From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 16 14:59:41 2022
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain
    classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Yosemite Sam on Sat Dec 17 02:08:08 2022
    On 16.12.2022 23:59, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain
    classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.

    Had there been a mention that they would stack? (I really can't tell.)
    But there's the effect documented that they usually return when thrown,
    so a single one could be used as a throwing weapon without need to use
    more than one of them (not considering multi-shot, of course). (This
    effect of being a "throwable" weapon is depending on the NH version.)

    Janis

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  • From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Fri Dec 16 17:38:35 2022
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:08:11 PM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 16.12.2022 23:59, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.
    Had there been a mention that they would stack? (I really can't tell.)
    But there's the effect documented that they usually return when thrown,
    so a single one could be used as a throwing weapon without need to use
    more than one of them (not considering multi-shot, of course). (This
    effect of being a "throwable" weapon is depending on the NH version.)

    Janis

    I looked it up in the nethack wiki:

    Origin
    The word "aklys" comes from the Latin aclys and Greek agkulis, and refers to a Roman missile weapon; it is uncertain whether the "proper" plural would be "aklyses" (going by general English rules) or "aclydes" (by Latin rules)—in any case, the aklys
    does not stack, so it is unclear what NetHack would use.

    There are two types of real-life aklys: one...

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    It also mentions the aklys must be wielded in order to have it return when thrown.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Yosemite Sam on Sat Dec 17 08:43:23 2022
    On 17.12.2022 02:38, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:08:11 PM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 16.12.2022 23:59, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain
    classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.
    Had there been a mention that they would stack? (I really can't tell.)
    But there's the effect documented that they usually return when thrown,
    so a single one could be used as a throwing weapon without need to use
    more than one of them (not considering multi-shot, of course). (This
    effect of being a "throwable" weapon is depending on the NH version.)

    Janis

    I looked it up in the nethack wiki:

    Origin The word "aklys" comes from the Latin aclys and Greek agkulis,
    and refers to a Roman missile weapon; it is uncertain whether the
    "proper" plural would be "aklyses" (going by general English rules)
    or "aclydes" (by Latin rules)—in any case, the aklys does not stack,
    so it is unclear what NetHack would use.

    There are two types of real-life aklys: one...

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    It also mentions the aklys must be wielded in order to have it return
    when thrown.

    According to Wikipedia, both types of aklyses seem to have a (leather-)
    strap to get it back after thrown. For Nethack I would infer from that
    that (a) you wield and throw it, and (b) that they would not stack.

    Is your question answered by these sources of information? And does it
    match with the aklys behavior you observe in Nethack?

    Janis

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sat Dec 17 08:46:38 2022
    On 17.12.2022 08:43, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 17.12.2022 02:38, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:08:11 PM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote: >>> On 16.12.2022 23:59, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain
    classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.
    Had there been a mention that they would stack? (I really can't tell.)
    But there's the effect documented that they usually return when thrown,
    so a single one could be used as a throwing weapon without need to use
    more than one of them (not considering multi-shot, of course). (This
    effect of being a "throwable" weapon is depending on the NH version.)

    Janis

    I looked it up in the nethack wiki:

    Origin The word "aklys" comes from the Latin aclys and Greek agkulis,
    and refers to a Roman missile weapon; it is uncertain whether the
    "proper" plural would be "aklyses" (going by general English rules)
    or "aclydes" (by Latin rules)—in any case, the aklys does not stack,
    so it is unclear what NetHack would use.

    There are two types of real-life aklys: one...

    ------

    It also mentions the aklys must be wielded in order to have it return
    when thrown.

    According to Wikipedia, both types of aklyses seem to have a (leather-)
    strap to get it back after thrown. For Nethack I would infer from that
    that (a) you wield and throw it, and (b) that they would not stack.

    In Nethack it's listed under the club weapon type, so this one applies:

    "The term also applies to a small mace or club equipped with spikes,
    attached to one arm of the wielder by a strap of adjustable length
    to enable the weapon to be retrieved after it had been hurled at an
    enemy." [Wikipedia]


    Is your question answered by these sources of information? And does it
    match with the aklys behavior you observe in Nethack?

    Janis


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  • From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sat Dec 17 14:09:06 2022
    On Saturday, December 17, 2022 at 1:43:26 AM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 17.12.2022 02:38, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:08:11 PM UTC-6, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
    On 16.12.2022 23:59, Yosemite Sam wrote:
    Someone was talking about using aklys as throwing weapon for certain
    classes which avoid daggers or swords. What was the mechanic for
    getting them to stack? Right now my priest has four of them and they
    each take up an inventory slot.
    Had there been a mention that they would stack? (I really can't tell.)
    But there's the effect documented that they usually return when thrown, >> so a single one could be used as a throwing weapon without need to use
    more than one of them (not considering multi-shot, of course). (This
    effect of being a "throwable" weapon is depending on the NH version.)

    Janis

    I looked it up in the nethack wiki:

    Origin The word "aklys" comes from the Latin aclys and Greek agkulis,
    and refers to a Roman missile weapon; it is uncertain whether the
    "proper" plural would be "aklyses" (going by general English rules)
    or "aclydes" (by Latin rules)—in any case, the aklys does not stack,
    so it is unclear what NetHack would use.

    There are two types of real-life aklys: one...

    ------

    It also mentions the aklys must be wielded in order to have it return
    when thrown.
    According to Wikipedia, both types of aklyses seem to have a (leather-) strap to get it back after thrown. For Nethack I would infer from that
    that (a) you wield and throw it, and (b) that they would not stack.

    Is your question answered by these sources of information? And does it
    match with the aklys behavior you observe in Nethack?

    Janis

    Yes. I'm a little disappointed that it must be wielded for full effect. However,
    that is as handy as a bow or crossbow and does more damage. Unfortunately,
    it doesn't make sense to always wield an aklys while carrying a powerful artifact weapon.

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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to Yosemite Sam on Sun Dec 18 08:45:35 2022
    On 17.12.2022 23:09, Yosemite Sam wrote:

    It also mentions the aklys must be wielded in order to have it return
    when thrown.
    According to Wikipedia, both types of aklyses seem to have a (leather-)
    strap to get it back after thrown. For Nethack I would infer from that
    that (a) you wield and throw it, and (b) that they would not stack.

    Yes. I'm a little disappointed that it must be wielded for full effect. However,
    that is as handy as a bow or crossbow and does more damage. Unfortunately, it doesn't make sense to always wield an aklys while carrying a powerful artifact weapon.

    I always prefer [decent] artifacts to mundane weapons. Aklys' advantage
    (as opposed to projectiles or [stacking] throwable weapons) is that you
    need just one aklys (like with Mjollnir) and can save some inventory
    weight and turns to collect thrown items. I think it's useful option in variants/versions supporting that feature, at least for the early game.

    Janis

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  • From Isidore Ducasse@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 12:11:11 2023
    weight and turns to collect thrown items. I think it's useful option in variants/versions supporting that feature, at least for the early game.

    I used it as my only throwing weapon until the end, in my unique
    ascended game :-)

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  • From Yosemite Sam@21:1/5 to Isidore Ducasse on Mon Jan 16 01:04:34 2023
    On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 6:11:13 AM UTC-6, Isidore Ducasse wrote:
    weight and turns to collect thrown items. I think it's useful option in variants/versions supporting that feature, at least for the early game.
    I used it as my only throwing weapon until the end, in my unique
    ascended game :-)

    It's also nice for hitting monsters behind boulders because it is endless.

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