• [slashem] Killing a hostile human is considered murder?

    From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 15 03:27:45 2022
    Playing a human Knight in Slashem. Cleared most of Grund's level.
    Then met a hostile human at Grund's throne room...

    The human attacks a spot beside you. The human strikes at thin air!
    You kill the human! You murderer!
    You see here a human corpse {1450}.

    ...and got the indication of being a murderer, supposedly with all
    the negative consequences. - WTF?! - Is the Wiki wrong?

    Janis

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  • From B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sun May 15 07:49:06 2022
    On Sun, 15 May 2022 03:27:45 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

    Playing a human Knight in Slashem. Cleared most of Grund's level.
    Then met a hostile human at Grund's throne room...

    The human attacks a spot beside you. The human strikes at thin air!
    You kill the human! You murderer!
    You see here a human corpse {1450}.

    ...and got the indication of being a murderer, supposedly with all
    the negative consequences. - WTF?! - Is the Wiki wrong?

    I take it, you didn't wear =oC? If the human has been part of the initial monster set while making the level, it would have been /created/ peaceful. Therefore, "murder" is to be expected.

    Is Grund's level eligible for bones? Then maybe a former adventurer is responsible for angering the human. Or (s)he got caught in sth. you did
    (blast of some kind) without you noticing? Or (s)he was just temporarily confused by sth.? Or did your steed attack the human while you were
    mounted? Then the human would just have been trying to hit the pair of
    you in self-defence...

    BeAr
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  • From Janis Papanagnou@21:1/5 to B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson on Sun May 15 11:39:54 2022
    On 15.05.2022 07:49, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
    On Sun, 15 May 2022 03:27:45 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

    Playing a human Knight in Slashem. Cleared most of Grund's level.
    Then met a hostile human at Grund's throne room...

    The human attacks a spot beside you. The human strikes at thin air!
    You kill the human! You murderer!
    You see here a human corpse {1450}.

    ...and got the indication of being a murderer, supposedly with all
    the negative consequences. - WTF?! - Is the Wiki wrong?

    I take it, you didn't wear =oC? If the human has been part of the initial monster set while making the level, it would have been /created/ peaceful. Therefore, "murder" is to be expected.

    While I reached around dungeon level 21 (including mines) yet I
    haven't identified any ring (or any other item by normal means
    of identification); without any appropriate shop generated in
    that game, no mall level and no mine-town general shop. I have
    quite some unidentified rings but didn't wear them in combat.


    Is Grund's level eligible for bones? Then maybe a former adventurer is responsible for angering the human.

    I think that is generally not possible there. And since I have a
    bones-notifier installed I'd have got a message on entering the
    level. So I can exclude that.

    Or (s)he got caught in sth. you did
    (blast of some kind) without you noticing?

    Often I use grenades in that throne room, but this time all the
    monsters were so kind to greet me at the room entrance already,
    so that I was able to melee them all in two-artifact two-handed
    combat. Moreover the human was in a closed niche of that level;
    here's the respective part of the level definition, where I am
    the @ close to the entry and the human was on bottom of the map
    behind a secret door 'S', and I don't think I could reach that
    niche with rays from a wand through the iron bars 'F' from my
    position. Here's the map excerpt...

    H-......----S-
    HS[....@^^^S.. <<< me
    H-......----S-
    H--......---.-
    ##-.......--.-
    -#--.......-..
    -##-.......---
    --S--......S#-
    -...--....--+-
    -...----..F.@- <<< gypsy
    -...SH.----%.- and another human
    --------------

    There were two humans in that niche (depicted at the bottom right).
    The level definition file for that niche says

    MONSTER[10%]:'@',"gypsy",(12,18),peaceful
    OBJECT:'%',"corpse",(11,19),"human",0

    I wonder why (besides the gypsy) the human was also alive. The
    existence of that other (hostile) human is mysterious to me.

    Or (s)he was just temporarily confused by sth.?

    Not that I can tell. (I have no stethoscope.)

    Or did your steed attack the human while you were mounted?

    At that stage I was alone (no pets or minions with me).

    Then the human would just have been trying to hit the pair of
    you in self-defence...

    Hmm.., I cannot imagine how that could have happened. (Maybe a
    misled cursed potion of confusion thrown by a monster at me that
    hit the human through the iron bars 'F'? - Will cursed potions
    when thrown be able to take an arbitrary direction like missile
    weapons?)

    Janis

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  • From B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson@21:1/5 to Janis Papanagnou on Sun May 15 19:49:29 2022
    On Sun, 15 May 2022 11:39:54 +0200, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

    Will cursed potions when thrown be able to take an arbitrary direction
    like missile weapons?

    AFAICT: No.

    BeAr
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