• Re: [Starburst Magazine] Next Edition of DUNGEONS & DRAGONS Changes Eve

    From smaug@ereborbbs.duckdns.org@21:1/5 to Spalls Hurgenson on Wed Jun 19 23:23:30 2024
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:23:45 +0200, Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/19/2024 11:22 AM, Kyonshi wrote:
    Source:
    https://www.starburstmagazine.com/next-edition-of-dungeons-dragons-changes-everything/

    Next Edition of DUNGEONS & DRAGONS Changes Everything


    [snip]


    spoilers: it did not actually change all that much

    mostly some new options and monsters from what I can see, a bit of >>clarification on the how to play.

    So much for the One DnD thing that included all other editions.

    Everything I've read about the new books is that it's basically "AD&D
    2nd Edition" for D&D 5th Edition.

    That's a very apt description. I think DND right now is repeating the lackluster 2nd edition.

    Which mathematically makes it D&D 7th Edition, not 6th. ;-)

    Don't try to make sense out of DnD editions. If we were properly counting
    it would be... I dunno, the 10th?

    Which, you know, being the rare /fan/ of 2nd Edition AD&D (I can
    calculate THAC0 in my head! ;-), sounds pretty cool to me. While not
    without its flaws, 2nd Edition made a /much/ better read -and
    introduction to the game- than the original books. Not quite up to the standard of the Mentzer books, certainly, but a much needed
    clarification and consolidation of the rules. It wouldn't be a
    terrible thing of these new books follow suit.

    I think 2nd ed gets a bit of a cold shoulder from fans because it was,
    yes, better written and much better structured, but also quite...
    boring.
    ADnD 1st was this madcap diatribe of Gygax trying to write the
    ultimate statement of his way of roleplaying (and cut Arneson out
    of the profits), while ADnD 2nd was tame. Generic. And definitely
    one of the most lackluster of editions.
    That doesn't mean it was bad. I started playing ADnD with 2nd ed.,
    but it never had that shine 3rd, 1st or 0 had.

    Heck, I might even give it a try if they make it so armor class goes
    down as it gets better. ;-)

    Yeah, I doubt that will ever come back. I don't know why people get so
    hung up about that though, by this point I can convert between ascending
    and descending armor in my head.

    I think the biggest thing working against the revision isn't the books themselves or even the WOTC developers/writers... but the marketing.
    It's been alternately hyped up as "the next edition", "not the next
    edition", "some sort of hybrid that works with all versions edition",
    and Gygax knows what else. I suspect Hasbro has gummed up the works
    trying to boost sales because all they know is "New Must Be Better!"
    ('cause it works with toys) without understanding why players might
    not feel the same way.

    They are out of ideas because corporate took control. Previously the
    positions in charge at WOTC had actual gamers at least somewhere
    close to them. But DnD was still a thing of passion, even if heavily commercialized. But now that black sheep of the Hasbro family turns
    out to be a golden goose, so corpo suits took over.
    And they don't have a clue what they are doing, and as we noticed
    the last few months, they are doing stuff that doesn't fit the
    tabletop rpg hobby.
    They want ALL THE MONEY and so they created the OGL debacle and
    the whole idea of One DnD that was supposed to unify all kinds
    of editions (how would that even work?!).
    And this 6th edition is just that... the books are getting bigger
    and fatter, and I will bet you they will be absolutely unusable on
    the table. In fact this will be an unwieldy mess of a system.
    48 classes? For what? Even more spells? Nobody will be able to learn
    all of them.
    What DnD needs is getting slimmer not more bloated. The bloat always
    shows up on it's own. The whole point of 5e back in the days was
    that the game was slimmed down in comparison to the mess that was
    4e. But that's not what the suits and some of the more vocal fans
    want. Or think they want. They are going for more complexity, and
    that will alienate a lot of fans who already think 5e is too much
    of an unwieldy mess to play straight.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)