• Re: Lorraine Williams can rot in hell

    From dawn.murin@wizards.com@21:1/5 to Alan Kellogg on Thu Mar 31 12:12:29 2022
    On Friday, December 3, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alan Kellogg wrote:

    Right, TSR was a company in good financial health when Williams sold it to Wizards of the Coast for a bargain basement price, just so a true gamer
    would be running it.

    TSR was not in good financial health. The company was in terrible dept. As a matter of fact, the printer was holding files hostage as collateral until they got paid for yet unsettled accounts.

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  • From ironstaff@gmail.com@21:1/5 to dawn....@wizards.com on Thu Mar 31 13:53:12 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-4, dawn....@wizards.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 3, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alan Kellogg wrote:

    Right, TSR was a company in good financial health when Williams sold it to Wizards of the Coast for a bargain basement price, just so a true gamer would be running it.

    TSR was not in good financial health. The company was in terrible dept. As a matter of fact, the printer was holding files hostage as collateral until they got paid for yet unsettled accounts.

    A twenty-one year gap between comment and reply may be the longest I've ever personally encountered. Bravo. First D&D content I've seen on this newsgroup in at least a year.

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to iron...@gmail.com on Thu Mar 31 14:05:01 2022
    "iron...@gmail.com" <ironstaff@gmail.com> wrote in news:de36732e-7530-43cd-a721-dac373b0a919n@googlegroups.com:

    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-4,
    dawn....@wizards.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 3, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alan Kellogg
    wrote:

    Right, TSR was a company in good financial health when
    Williams sold it to Wizards of the Coast for a bargain
    basement price, just so a true gamer would be running it.

    TSR was not in good financial health. The company was in
    terrible dept. As a matter of fact, the printer was holding
    files hostage as collateral until they got paid for yet
    unsettled accounts.

    A twenty-one year gap between comment and reply may be the
    longest I've ever personally encountered. Bravo. First D&D
    content I've seen on this newsgroup in at least a year.


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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to dawn.murin@wizards.com on Fri Apr 1 13:16:15 2022
    On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:12:29 -0700 (PDT), "dawn.murin@wizards.com" <dawn.murin@wizards.com> wrote:

    On Friday, December 3, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alan Kellogg wrote:

    Right, TSR was a company in good financial health when Williams sold it to >> Wizards of the Coast for a bargain basement price, just so a true gamer
    would be running it.

    TSR was not in good financial health. The company was in terrible dept. As a matter of fact, the printer was holding files hostage as collateral until they got
    paid for yet unsettled accounts.

    She was also reputedly awful about paying and retaining staff, and had
    little appreciation for the product she was selling; her primary
    method seemed to be to flood the market with goods, regardless of
    quality. Reports are she gave no time for playtesting the material,
    and a lot of stuff got shoved out the door long before it should have
    been released.

    That said, her reign also coincided with some of TSRs most productive
    years, and many beloved product-lines - Ravenloft, Dark Sun, Forgotten
    Realms - either got their start or flourished while she was in charge
    (others, such as Spelljammer and Birthright were also born). The
    quality of all these books were very mixed and many of them seemed
    nothing more than cash grabs (the endless string of 2nd Ed player
    handbooks) or an attempt to cash-in on some recent trend (the Dragon
    Dice game) but the sheer volume of content meant that there was also a
    lot of good stuff in there too. For a gamer during that time period,
    it wasn't the best method - you often paid good money for poorly
    designed material - but now, with the benefit of hindsight and reviews
    that let us filter out the chaff, it can be seen as a golden age.

    Which, again, isn't to defend Lorraine Williams tenure; I might not
    like everything Wizards of the Coast has done with the brand, but
    they've proven far better custodians than Williams. She lacked the
    charisma, acumen and talent to guide a company like TSR, and under her leadership the company floundered badly. But its understandable why
    many people of the time felt she was the lesser of the two evils,
    especially since Wizards of the Coast was largely known at the time
    for its "gotta buy 'em all" Magic the Gathering card game.

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  • From Justisaur@21:1/5 to Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha on Sun Apr 3 13:17:42 2022
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 2:05:04 PM UTC-7, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
    "iron...@gmail.com" <iron...@gmail.com> wrote in news:de36732e-7530-43cd...@googlegroups.com:
    On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 3:12:30 PM UTC-4,
    dawn....@wizards.com wrote:
    On Friday, December 3, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-8, Alan Kellogg
    wrote:

    Right, TSR was a company in good financial health when
    Williams sold it to Wizards of the Coast for a bargain
    basement price, just so a true gamer would be running it.

    TSR was not in good financial health. The company was in
    terrible dept. As a matter of fact, the printer was holding
    files hostage as collateral until they got paid for yet
    unsettled accounts.

    A twenty-one year gap between comment and reply may be the
    longest I've ever personally encountered. Bravo. First D&D
    content I've seen on this newsgroup in at least a year.

    Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host= 70.102.136.132; posting-account=0jMfBgoAAABNAfrurnPmYN_73fZlR23n

    Reading Usenet through Google Groups is a very efficient way to look ridiculous.

    I've been wearing my fireproof clown suit for a very long time.

    - Justisaur

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