• Paleolithic board games?

    From RicTrasky@21:1/5 to M Winther on Mon Apr 11 09:54:34 2016
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    XPost: sci.anthropology.paleo

    M Winther wrote:

    So called tectiforms are prevalent in paleolithic cave art. Below images
    are from the Castillo cave in Spain. (From Prehistoric Cave Paintings by Rebecca B. Marcus, 1968).
    http://s14.postimg.org/8m63y6g69/abstractcave1.jpg

    Designs such as these are found in all of the painted caves. Sometimes rectangular patterns have been filled in with different earth colours.

    Could it be board games? The lower image looks very much like a Ludo
    board. The Aztecs played Patolli, which was very similar. The Indians
    play Pachisi. The ancient Egyptians played Senet. People have always
    incised board game structures onto walls, into the bedrock, onto temple walls, etc.

    "In the ancient temple at Kurna in Egypt (c. 1400 B.C.) there are more
    than 70 board games painstakingly carved into the roofing slabs, dating
    from different epochs in history".
    http://www.two-paths.com/boardgam1.htm

    People have always viewed board games as divine, because the dice follow
    the will of the gods. Did paleolithic man play a version of Ludo?

    Descriptions of a lot of these mention using easily obtained items like
    pebbles as playing pieces, and boards being nothing more than the ground
    itself - IOW, pit and pebble games.

    Searching on google with wiki pit pebble games
    turns up a few.

    This presents itself as precursors to later board games than had more elaboration in terms of boards and pieces. That makes sense since in a hunting/gathering lifestyle everything has to be carried around, and
    board games might be something that didn't qualify as luggage. Hence,
    set up the board with whatever's handy.

    Your jpg could use some context, or at least a caption as to where and
    when it is from. I tried to locate it through google images but didn't
    find it.

    To make an inscription like that does indeed imply tally marks of some
    kind and purpose.

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  • From Gene Wirchenko@21:1/5 to traREskyMOVE@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 15 16:10:14 2016
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    XPost: sci.anthropology.paleo

    On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:54:34 -0600, RicTrasky
    <traREskyMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    This presents itself as precursors to later board games than had more >elaboration in terms of boards and pieces. That makes sense since in a >hunting/gathering lifestyle everything has to be carried around, and
    board games might be something that didn't qualify as luggage. Hence,
    set up the board with whatever's handy.

    Or the board could be drawn/carved on something with a different
    use, such as a piece of leather.

    [snip]

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko

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  • From RicTrasky@21:1/5 to Gene Wirchenko on Mon Apr 18 21:34:06 2016
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    XPost: sci.anthropology.paleo

    Gene Wirchenko wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Apr 2016 09:54:34 -0600, RicTrasky
    <traREskyMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote:

    [snip]

    This presents itself as precursors to later board games than had more >elaboration in terms of boards and pieces. That makes sense since in a >hunting/gathering lifestyle everything has to be carried around, and
    board games might be something that didn't qualify as luggage. Hence,
    set up the board with whatever's handy.

    Or the board could be drawn/carved on something with a different
    use, such as a piece of leather.

    Hmmm. Very portable. Wouldn't likely survive over time. Are there any contemporary examples?

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  • From M Winther@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 06:30:55 2016
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    So called tectiforms are prevalent in paleolithic cave art. Below images
    are from the Castillo cave in Spain. (From Prehistoric Cave Paintings by Rebecca B. Marcus, 1968).
    http://s14.postimg.org/8m63y6g69/abstractcave1.jpg

    Designs such as these are found in all of the painted caves. Sometimes rectangular patterns have been filled in with different earth colours.

    Could it be board games? The lower image looks very much like a Ludo
    board. The Aztecs played Patolli, which was very similar. The Indians
    play Pachisi. The ancient Egyptians played Senet. People have always
    incised board game structures onto walls, into the bedrock, onto temple
    walls, etc.

    "In the ancient temple at Kurna in Egypt (c. 1400 B.C.) there are more
    than 70 board games painstakingly carved into the roofing slabs, dating
    from different epochs in history".
    http://www.two-paths.com/boardgam1.htm

    People have always viewed board games as divine, because the dice follow
    the will of the gods. Did paleolithic man play a version of Ludo?

    Mats Winther

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  • From M Winther@21:1/5 to RicTrasky on Sat May 7 08:21:34 2016
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    On 11/04/2016 17:54, RicTrasky wrote:


    [...]

    Your jpg could use some context, or at least a caption as to where and
    when it is from. I tried to locate it through google images but didn't
    find it.

    [...]



    I gave the source: "Prehistoric Cave Paintings" by Rebecca B. Marcus, 1968.

    Mats

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  • From M Winther@21:1/5 to Franz Gnaedinger on Sat Apr 9 12:22:32 2016
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    XPost: alt.archaeology

    On 08/04/2016 09:23, Franz Gnaedinger wrote:
    On Friday, April 8, 2016 at 6:31:34 AM UTC+2, M Winther wrote:
    So called tectiforms are prevalent in paleolithic cave art. Below images
    are from the Castillo cave in Spain. (From Prehistoric Cave Paintings by
    Rebecca B. Marcus, 1968).
    http://s14.postimg.org/8m63y6g69/abstractcave1.jpg

    Designs such as these are found in all of the painted caves. Sometimes
    rectangular patterns have been filled in with different earth colours.

    Could it be board games? The lower image looks very much like a Ludo
    board. The Aztecs played Patolli, which was very similar. The Indians
    play Pachisi. The ancient Egyptians played Senet. People have always
    incised board game structures onto walls, into the bedrock, onto temple
    walls, etc.

    "In the ancient temple at Kurna in Egypt (c. 1400 B.C.) there are more
    than 70 board games painstakingly carved into the roofing slabs, dating
    from different epochs in history".
    http://www.two-paths.com/boardgam1.htm

    People have always viewed board games as divine, because the dice follow
    the will of the gods. Did paleolithic man play a version of Ludo?

    Mats Winther

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    I believe that tectiforms, and especially the beautiful ones in
    the Castillo cave, indicate settlements, while dots accompanying them indicate life, existence. In my reconstruction of the Ice Age lingua
    franca of shamans and shamanesses called Magdalenian the words are
    connected: DAI for a protected area, and the comparative form SAI
    for life, existence. Especially red dots indicate life, on cave walls
    that often symbolize the sky they claim a second life in the heavenly
    beyond, for example the oldest element of European cave art known
    so far, a red ocher dot in the Altamira cave, some 42,000 years old.
    Other ideograms, for example squares and rectangles, are calendar
    figures (Lascaux), indicating patterns laid out with pebbles. And
    then there certainly were board games, or games of laying out pebbles
    on a clay bank.


    Indeed, this really looks like settlement structures. (The question is,
    why were they so heavily fortified?)

    Since board games were extremely popular among Stone Age and Bronze Age peoples, we could expect that also hunter-gatherers played them. The
    Bronze Age excavation site of Mohenjo-Daro is littered with gaming
    artifacts.

    "Play was a central element of people's lives as far back as 4,000 years
    ago. This has been revealed by an archaeology thesis from the University
    of Gothenburg, Sweden, which investigates the social significance of the phenomenon of play and games in the Bronze Age Indus Valley in
    present-day Pakistan."
    http://www.fravahr.org/spip.php?breve1109

    It seems that Aztec nobles were obsessed with Patolli. They could often
    be seen carrying a Patolli board under their arm. According to Murray,
    "A History of Board-games other than Chess" (1951), the boardgame
    Fanorona played an important part in the rituals of Madagascan culture.
    At the storming of the capital by the French in 1895, the Queen and
    people relied far more on the outcome of the official game that was
    being played by the ritual professionals for victory, than they did on
    their armed forces (cf. Murray, 1951, p.88).

    Historian Johan Huizinga ("Homo Ludens") says that the game playing
    element was once extremely important, especially in Chinese
    civilization, where almost everything took the form of a ceremonial
    contest. African Stone Age peoples played Mancala games.

    Among Amerindians the zig-zag pattern, so popular in paleolithic
    culture, is found on board game artifacts. The zig-zag pattern
    represents the male principle whereas parallel lines represent the
    female principle. https://archive.org/stream/gamesofnorthamer00culirich/gamesofnorthamer00culirich_djvu.txt

    Moreover, people notoriously depicted gaming boards on walls, and on the
    floors of temples, etc. We must conclude that, if paleolithic man played
    board games, then there must exist artifacts and depictions in cave
    paintings and elsewhere.

    Mats

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  • From RicTrasky@21:1/5 to M Winther on Wed Jun 8 21:31:19 2016
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    XPost: sci.anthropology.paleo

    M Winther wrote:
    On 11/04/2016 17:54, RicTrasky wrote:


    [...]

    Your jpg could use some context, or at least a caption as to where and
    when it is from. I tried to locate it through google images but didn't
    find it.

    [...]



    I gave the source: "Prehistoric Cave Paintings" by Rebecca B. Marcus, 1968.

    I don't have the book nor does it appear to be online.

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