• robot ratings

    From Rich D@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 31 10:56:08 2023
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?

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    Rich

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to Rich D on Wed Feb 1 14:01:40 2023
    On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?

    Bs"d

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance against it.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Eli Kesef on Thu Feb 2 23:26:15 2023
    Eli Kesef wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
    mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
    against it.

    What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to Eli Kesef on Thu Feb 2 15:16:37 2023
    On February 1, Eli Kesef wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    I mean, what tournaments, what competition?
    How does one attain such a rating, when the top class of
    players is 2700? It's mathematically impossible.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance against it.

    It completely misread the Tal endgame brilliancy.
    I didn't.

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    Rich

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Sat Feb 4 17:02:25 2023
    On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 23:26:15 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Eli Kesef wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
    mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
    against it.

    What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!

    Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
    supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
    such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.

    I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
    shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
    score would be 8-2 or better.

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  • From Rich D@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sat Feb 4 17:37:07 2023
    On February 4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
    mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
    against it.

    Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
    supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
    such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.

    I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
    shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
    score would be 8-2 or better.

    Computers are deterministic, are they not? Which means repeatable.
    So if you beat Stockfish once, you could do it every time.

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    Rich

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to Rich D on Sat Feb 4 22:06:29 2023
    On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 3:37:09 AM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
    On February 4, The Horny Goat wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
    mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
    against it.

    Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
    such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.

    I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
    shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
    score would be 8-2 or better.
    Computers are deterministic, are they not? Which means repeatable.
    So if you beat Stockfish once, you could do it every time.

    Bs"d

    Only if you would play the exact same game every time.

    But don't forget there is a big luck factor in chess.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Sun Feb 5 12:38:01 2023
    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 23:26:15 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    Eli Kesef wrote:

    On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 8:56:09 PM UTC+2, Rich D wrote:
    When the program says Stockfish rating is 3600, what does that
    mean? From where?

    From the rating system of Chess Master prof dr Arpad Elo.

    It means Stockfish is REALLY good, and you don't stand a chance
    against it.

    What about Mittens? Did we have a chance against her/him?!!!

    Given that Fischer's top rating was 2780 and a 300 pt difference is
    supposed to be a 95% chance of victory it means not only that 'fish'
    such as you and me don't stand a chance but top GMs don't either.

    I'm suspicious about a claimed rating of 3600 but 3000-3200 wouldn't
    shock me. A 600 point difference is thought to mean a 10 game match
    score would be 8-2 or better.

    I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official] ELO.
    I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her! Top GM's
    did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.

    I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to blueshirt@indigo.news on Tue Feb 7 17:52:11 2023
    On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:38:01 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official] ELO.
    I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her! Top GM's
    did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.

    I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)

    Not surprised on the first point, was not aware the second even
    existed.

    Got a link?

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Wed Feb 8 22:58:37 2023
    The Horny Goat wrote:

    On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:38:01 +0100, "Blueshirt"
    <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

    I had no chance against Mittens... despite its very low [official]
    ELO. I only played Mittens as everyone was talking about him/her!
    Top GM's did struggle too though so I don't feel too bad.

    I did beat the ChessGPT bot though! ;-)

    Not surprised on the first point, was not aware the second even
    existed.

    Got a link?

    https://www.chess.com/play/computer

    All the bots are listed there on the right-hand panel... including two
    new NFL theme ones: a Philadelphia bot and a Kansas City bot. (Both
    'rated' 1000)

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