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  • Gegen diesem Idioten muss ich verlieren!

    From William Hyde@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 14 13:16:16 2022
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day, I decided to tackle stockfish at a mere level five. As expected, I dropped a piece in the middle game, then lost queen for rook and bishop.

    But I thought there might be a chance to establish one of those fortress positions, with rook and a pawn or two vs Queen, where there is no win.

    And sure enough, Stockfish let me do it.

    There followed a lot of pointless moves when, on move 80, Stockfish
    lost it's queen. How could that happen?

    And given that I do occasionally lose to stockfish level five even nowadays, Nimzowitsch's question has to be asked.

    https://lichess.org/wgddlr9Z#166

    Enjoy my crappy play and revel in a game ten times as long as one of Eli's!

    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon Nov 14 22:18:36 2022
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,

    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.

    Where are all the other guys? I hope they didn't fall victim to corona, God forbid.

    I decided to tackle stockfish at a mere level five. As expected, I dropped a piece in the middle game, then lost queen for rook and bishop.

    Nothing special, I always play like that.

    But I thought there might be a chance to establish one of those fortress positions, with rook and a pawn or two vs Queen, where there is no win.

    And sure enough, Stockfish let me do it.

    There followed a lot of pointless moves when, on move 80, Stockfish
    lost it's queen. How could that happen?

    Very good! You saved the day! Keep up the good work!

    And given that I do occasionally lose to stockfish level five even nowadays, Nimzowitsch's question has to be asked.

    https://lichess.org/wgddlr9Z#166

    Enjoy my crappy play and revel in a game ten times as long as one of Eli's!

    It's just that I prefer the shorter games. Mate or resignation within 10 moves is what I like. You should try it, it's fun!

    https://tinyurl.com/esc-real

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to Eli Kesef on Wed Nov 16 14:16:02 2022
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.

    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear
    headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's
    the one who does the verlieren anyway.


    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Nov 16 21:29:02 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:16:04 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.
    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear
    headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's
    the one who does the verlieren anyway.

    Bs"d

    This time it worked out OK, but remember:

    https://tinyurl.com/sacc-oppo

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to Eli Kesef on Thu Nov 17 12:39:56 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:29:04 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:16:04 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.
    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear
    headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's the one who does the verlieren anyway.
    Bs"d

    This time it worked out OK, but remember:

    https://tinyurl.com/sacc-oppo

    True, but:

    https://www.quotes.net/images/35616.png


    Not a Roland for your Oliver, but an Xavier for your Xavier.

    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Sun Nov 20 23:06:13 2022
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:29:04 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:16:04 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.
    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear
    headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's the one who does the verlieren anyway.
    Bs"d

    This time it worked out OK, but remember:

    https://tinyurl.com/sacc-oppo
    True, but:

    https://www.quotes.net/images/35616.png


    Not a Roland for your Oliver, but an Xavier for your Xavier.

    Bs"d

    I thought it was Tartakower who said that:

    http://tiny.cc/mistakes-waiting

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to Eli Kesef on Mon Nov 21 14:20:41 2022
    On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:06:15 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:29:04 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:16:04 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.
    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's
    the one who does the verlieren anyway.
    Bs"d

    This time it worked out OK, but remember:

    https://tinyurl.com/sacc-oppo
    True, but:

    https://www.quotes.net/images/35616.png


    Not a Roland for your Oliver, but an Xavier for your Xavier.
    Bs"d

    I thought it was Tartakower who said that:

    It was.

    In many books written in his lifetime his first name is given as "Xavier".

    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Nov 23 00:40:48 2022
    On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 12:20:43 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 2:06:15 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:29:04 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 12:16:04 AM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 1:18:37 AM UTC-5, Eli Kesef wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 11:16:17 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day,
    Bs"d

    May you have speedily recovery from heaven.
    No problem, some short term respiratory infection. Tired but clear headed today.

    At least in this game I had the guts to sacrifice against the computer. An unsound sacrifice,
    and followed up unsoundly, but it's colourful:

    https://lichess.org/hbq95JbS#60


    So in answer to Nimzo, some times one is the idioten, and sometimes he's
    the one who does the verlieren anyway.
    Bs"d

    This time it worked out OK, but remember:

    https://tinyurl.com/sacc-oppo
    True, but:

    https://www.quotes.net/images/35616.png


    Not a Roland for your Oliver, but an Xavier for your Xavier.
    Bs"d

    I thought it was Tartakower who said that:
    It was.

    In many books written in his lifetime his first name is given as "Xavier".

    William Hyde

    Bs"d

    I stand corrected.

    https://tinyurl.com/Bot-on-Karpov

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 13:33:32 2022
    It's silly of me, but one of the reasons I like closed games is that I have fewer chances to blunder a piece.

    Also, closed games tend to favour long term strategy, something the machine does not do well at this
    level.

    https://lichess.org/AUCG5EYq

    I agree with the machine that e5 was a mistake, ed is clearly best. But it was an intentional mistake, I wanted to see if I could still
    muster a king side attack in such a situation. I disagree with the bot about 19 .. g5 being a mistake and the correct move being
    b6. The bot's fear that white will win the b6 square is misplaced in this context. A nice knight outpost is no use if one is mated.
    Ditto for 20 ... Nf6. In any event queen side pawn advances can only help it open lines there, not good in principle when attacking
    on the king side.

    I tried to make 14 ... Bxh3 work, but while black gets an impressive number of pieces near the white king, I just couldn't
    see a likely win. Computer analysis seems to confirm.

    You like short games, I like games with strategy. Chacun a son gout.

    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 23:01:46 2022
    Bs"d

    https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-how-can-i-lose-to-such-an-idiot-aron-nimzowitsch-54-50-44.jpg

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon Nov 28 22:48:21 2022
    On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 11:33:34 PM UTC+2, William Hyde wrote:
    It's silly of me, but one of the reasons I like closed games is that I have fewer chances to blunder a piece.

    Bs"d

    Closed games, open games, doesn't make a difference: I blunder anyway. It's what I do.

    Also, closed games tend to favour long term strategy, something the machine does not do well at this
    level.

    That is true.

    https://lichess.org/AUCG5EYq

    I agree with the machine that e5 was a mistake, ed is clearly best. But it was an intentional mistake, I wanted to see if I could still
    muster a king side attack in such a situation. I disagree with the bot about 19 .. g5 being a mistake and the correct move being
    b6. The bot's fear that white will win the b6 square is misplaced in this context. A nice knight outpost is no use if one is mated.
    Ditto for 20 ... Nf6. In any event queen side pawn advances can only help it open lines there, not good in principle when attacking
    on the king side.

    I tried to make 14 ... Bxh3 work, but while black gets an impressive number of pieces near the white king, I just couldn't
    see a likely win. Computer analysis seems to confirm.

    You like short games, I like games with strategy. Chacun a son gout.

    It's not like I'm looking for short games, it is just that they happen a lot when you play traps.

    And it just happens to be so that they are a lot of fun when they happen. :D

    The enemy is often baffled when he is mated within 10 moves. They don't know what has hit them.

    https://tinyurl.com/beerklem

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 22:58:25 2022
  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri Apr 7 13:54:14 2023
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:17 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day, I decided to tackle stockfish at a mere level five. As expected, I dropped a piece in the middle game, then lost queen for rook and bishop.

    But I thought there might be a chance to establish one of those fortress positions, with rook and a pawn or two vs Queen, where there is no win.

    And sure enough, Stockfish let me do it.

    There followed a lot of pointless moves when, on move 80, Stockfish
    lost it's queen. How could that happen?

    And given that I do occasionally lose to stockfish level five even nowadays, Nimzowitsch's question has to be asked.

    https://lichess.org/wgddlr9Z#166

    Enjoy my crappy play and revel in a game ten times as long as one of Eli's!

    Further on this topic, even level six is not immune. Up 70 points it failed to find
    Rxg7, mating shortly. It still had winning chances but wound up drawing.

    According to the analysis I blundered five times in this game. I would make it six because while h6 is not actually a blunder, I did not see that it lost a pawn
    nor see the compensation I got for it. My f5 move was suicidal.

    At this rate it will be a long time before I play level seven regularly, but I wonder
    what it will let me get away with should I ever scale those lofty heights.

    https://lichess.org/TbUcoBo6#56

    The last twenty moves are pointless. But you can't offer stockfish a draw, so if you don't
    want to forfeit or die of boredom, there is some interest in trying to play such that
    a triple repetition occurs, or to force the trade to K vs K, which even stockfish admits
    is a draw.

    William Hyde

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  • From Eli Kesef@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 10 08:54:23 2023
    Bs"d

    Thank God for chess computers.

    And internet chess. What else should we do with our lives??

    https://tinyurl.com/lifes-fault

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  • From Phil Innes@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Thu Apr 13 13:54:30 2023
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:17 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day, I decided to tackle stockfish at a mere level five. As expected, I dropped a piece in the middle game, then lost queen for rook and bishop.

    I assume from this response you do not know of either the Scottish or Cornish remedy for such conditions?

    To the first: In Scotland one would take a little whisky and lemon, and as conditions improve gradually ease off the lemon.

    The first again: In Cornwall one might try Vodker and Mead, and as above...

    To the second Fishy character: The worst thing about playing on line is that one cannot clumsily knock all the pieces off the board in a galvanic sneeze, retaining the other's Queen in one's pocket until closing time?

    Cordially, Phil

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  • From William Hyde@21:1/5 to Phil Innes on Thu Apr 13 15:10:07 2023
    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 4:54:31 PM UTC-4, Phil Innes wrote:
    On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 4:16:17 PM UTC-5, William Hyde wrote:
    Feeling a little, well, a lot, under the weather this day, I decided to tackle stockfish at a mere level five. As expected, I dropped a piece in the middle game, then lost queen for rook and bishop.
    I assume from this response you do not know of either the Scottish or Cornish remedy for such conditions?

    To the first: In Scotland one would take a little whisky and lemon, and as conditions improve gradually ease off the lemon.

    The first again: In Cornwall one might try Vodker and Mead, and as above...

    Alas such measures are beyond me now. I console myself with the thought that in my time I consumed more than my
    share, thus preventing the stuff from flooding the streets and causing much commotion thereby. No doubt I saved
    many lives.

    I thought I did well yesterday. Better opening, positional pressure mounts, its pieces are forced to ugly squares, gain of a couple of
    pawns, easy endgame. Then I noticed that the game was somehow against level five. Ah well. Back to level six and less one-sided
    games (barring those that are one sided for it!).


    William Hyde

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