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    From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 1 22:08:51 2021
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tourn event) ?

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  • From Peter Smulders@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Sun Jan 3 23:59:48 2021
    On 1-1-2021 23:08, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tourn event) ?

    assuming 3C = 5+ hearts, 4+ clubs and game-forcing: 1) and 2) 3NT

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  • From Kenny McCormack@21:1/5 to js@example.net on Mon Jan 4 15:50:19 2021
    In article <vmGIH.228159$Cp69.98047@usenetxs.com>,
    Joanna Shuttleworth <js@example.net> wrote:
    On 2021-01-01, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tourn >> event) ?


    3D : control and club fit
    5C may be better than 3NT; and partner may be interested in slam.

    Yeah, that's kinda the gist of this thread. At IMPs, you have to assume
    that it is OK to play in clubs. Either game or slam could easily be there.

    Yes, 3D is a good bid. Thanks for that.

    same for MPs: partner has a reason to bid 3C, so let him know how you feel.

    3D is still reasonable (since you can still end in 3N). But I suspect
    you'll end up in 3N regardless. I have a solid rule at MPs that we never
    play 5 of a minor. So, its either going to be 3N or 6C.

    Spoiler: In the event, 3N is down (pard has a stiff diamond and you don't
    have 9 on top) and 6C is a probable make. Such is life...

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  • From Joanna Shuttleworth@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Mon Jan 4 15:19:55 2021
    On 2021-01-01, Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tourn event) ?


    3D : control and club fit
    5C may be better than 3NT; and partner may be interested in slam.

    same for MPs: partner has a reason to bid 3C, so let him know how you feel.

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  • From KWSchneider@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Mon Jan 4 08:27:51 2021
    On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 5:08:53 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    While I would subscribe to bidding 3D to show a diamond control, it is NOT clear that this is in support of clubs and NOT spades.
    Unless you are using super-accepts of some sort, how would one bid this hand? KJxx,Kxxx,ATx,Ax

    So 3D does not automatically set clubs as trump.

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tournament)

    4C in IMPS
    3N in MP (the room bid)

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  • From Joanna Shuttleworth@21:1/5 to KWSchneider on Tue Jan 5 13:39:50 2021
    On 2021-01-04, KWSchneider <schneider.kurt@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 5:08:53 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    While I would subscribe to bidding 3D to show a diamond control, it is NOT clear that this is in support of clubs and NOT spades.
    Unless you are using super-accepts of some sort, how would one bid this hand? KJxx,Kxxx,ATx,Ax

    So 3D does not automatically set clubs as trump.

    it should do as we're FG. 3S sets spades as trump and allows partner to
    try for slam below game if he is interested.


    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tournament)

    4C in IMPS
    3N in MP (the room bid)



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  • From Fred.@21:1/5 to Joanna Shuttleworth on Wed Jan 6 10:48:04 2021
    On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-5, Joanna Shuttleworth wrote:
    On 2021-01-04, KWSchneider <schneid...@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 5:08:53 PM UTC-5, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    While I would subscribe to bidding 3D to show a diamond control, it is NOT clear that this is in support of clubs and NOT spades.
    Unless you are using super-accepts of some sort, how would one bid this hand?
    KJxx,Kxxx,ATx,Ax

    So 3D does not automatically set clubs as trump.
    it should do as we're FG. 3S sets spades as trump and allows partner to
    try for slam below game if he is interested.

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tournament)

    4C in IMPS
    3N in MP (the room bid)


    While I agree with you, I'm not sure if my pickup partner will. However,
    if 3D is ambiguous, responder should still proceed as if clubs were
    supported and leave it to opener to make any necessary corrections
    to spades.

    Fred.

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  • From KWSchneider@21:1/5 to Fred. on Thu Jan 7 06:49:42 2021
    On Wednesday, January 6, 2021 at 1:48:06 PM UTC-5, Fred. wrote:
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    While I agree with you, I'm not sure if my pickup partner will. However,
    if 3D is ambiguous, responder should still proceed as if clubs were
    supported and leave it to opener to make any necessary corrections
    to spades.

    Fred.

    So - we have the following implications:
    1N-2H;
    2S-3C;
    3D
    is slam invitational with a diamond control in support of clubs.

    1N-2H;
    2S-3C;
    3S - support for spades, opener has NOT denied a diamond control, but has denied support for clubs - nebulous with respect to slam interest. Allowing for 3N, 4S or slam
    4S - to play, no slam interest

    1N-2H;
    2S-3C;
    4C
    is slam invitational DENYING a diamond control in support of clubs.

    Cue-bidding without absolutely defining the trump suit is dangerous. Must opener bypass a 3D cuebid to raise spades first, implying that a direct cuebid is for clubs.

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  • From kingfish@21:1/5 to Kenny McCormack on Mon Jan 11 07:30:49 2021
    On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-8, Kenny McCormack wrote:
    IMPS (team of 4), none vul you deal and hold: xx,Kxxx,ATx,AKJx

    Playing SAYC, you open 1N (15-17).
    The auction goes:

    1N 2H (xfer)
    2S 3C
    ?

    1) Your call?

    2) Is it any different if this were MPs (say, a standard club game or tourn event) ?

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    First principal, clarify what is trump. With Clubs as trump your hand is all first and 2nd round controls, and you have solid club support for what is know to be a weak suit. The issue with 3D is that even with a 4C call over 3NT, partner still is not
    sure which suit you are supporting. If you call 4C, it is clear what suit you support, and, unless partner can call 4H over that, slam is unlikely.

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