• A Ohaganistic position perhaps?

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 22 07:37:20 2021
    The below position is a very thin double and a huge take.
    (I missed the double).
    Our strength isn't so much that our position is so marvellous, but rather
    that we have quite a few crushing market losers.

    Since this is right on the border between doubling and holding, I'd expect
    to see an approx 25% probability of us getting a market losing sequence,
    and that's probably a decent estimate.
    I think this position Ohaganizes quite well.

    Paul

    XGID=--a-BaE-AA--eD---c-d-B--a-:0:0:1:00:8:3:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:8 O:3. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O |
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X |
    | O X X | | X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 149 O: 157 X-O: 8-3
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in XG Roller+
    Player Winning Chances: 63.84% (G:23.70% B:0.91%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.16% (G:7.25% B:0.22%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.448, Double=+0.897

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.620 (-0.021)
    Double/Take: +0.640
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.360)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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  • From J R@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Tue Nov 23 00:12:15 2021
    On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-5, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    The below position is a very thin double and a huge take.
    (I missed the double).
    Our strength isn't so much that our position is so marvellous, but rather that we have quite a few crushing market losers.

    Since this is right on the border between doubling and holding, I'd expect
    to see an approx 25% probability of us getting a market losing sequence,
    and that's probably a decent estimate.
    I think this position Ohaganizes quite well.

    Paul

    XGID=--a-BaE-AA--eD---c-d-B--a-:0:0:1:00:8:3:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:8 O:3. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O |
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X |
    | O X X | | X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 149 O: 157 X-O: 8-3
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in XG Roller+
    Player Winning Chances: 63.84% (G:23.70% B:0.91%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.16% (G:7.25% B:0.22%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.448, Double=+0.897

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.620 (-0.021)
    Double/Take: +0.640
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.360)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

    Seems like a bigger double to me.

    Stick

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to J R on Tue Nov 23 02:24:05 2021
    On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 8:12:16 AM UTC, J R wrote:
    On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 10:37:22 AM UTC-5, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    The below position is a very thin double and a huge take.
    (I missed the double).
    Our strength isn't so much that our position is so marvellous, but rather that we have quite a few crushing market losers.

    Since this is right on the border between doubling and holding, I'd expect to see an approx 25% probability of us getting a market losing sequence, and that's probably a decent estimate.
    I think this position Ohaganizes quite well.

    Paul

    XGID=--a-BaE-AA--eD---c-d-B--a-:0:0:1:00:8:3:3:0:10
    X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon

    Score is X:8 O:3. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O |
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X |
    | O X X | | X O X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 149 O: 157 X-O: 8-3
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in XG Roller+
    Player Winning Chances: 63.84% (G:23.70% B:0.91%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.16% (G:7.25% B:0.22%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.448, Double=+0.897

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.620 (-0.021)
    Double/Take: +0.640
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.360)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10
    Seems like a bigger double to me.

    One possible reason for the fact that it seems like a bigger double to you
    is that it is a bigger double.
    Would you (or Tim) like to post the rollout?

    Paul

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