No one would take the below position but is it TG?
Paul
XGID=-BCB--G-a--------abccbc--A:2:-1:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O |
| | | O O O O |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| | | 7 |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | |
| | | X X X | +---+
| X | | X X X X | | 4 |
| X X | | X X X X | +---+
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 89 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 4, X own cube
X on roll, cube action
On 8/18/2021 7:05 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
No one would take the below position but is it TG?
Paul
XGID=-BCB--G-a--------abccbc--A:2:-1:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+When the opponent has all but one of her checkers in her
| X | | O O O O |
| | | O O O O |
| | | O O |
| | | O |
| | | 7 |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | |
| | | X X X | +---+
| X | | X X X X | | 4 |
| X X | | X X X X | +---+
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 89 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 4, X own cube
X on roll, cube action
home board and has no blots, then the gammon chances are
very low. I don't think this is TG.
And what about the market-gaining chances?
On 8/18/2021 10:34 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
And what about the market-gaining chances?If the gammons are low enough then you need almost no
market gainers to double.
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:41:40 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/18/2021 10:34 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:It's ultra-marginal between D/P and TG.
And what about the market-gaining chances?If the gammons are low enough then you need almost no
market gainers to double.
I think XG rolled out 1.005 but at another time in another place in another country
in a kinder planet, a rollout of 0.995 would have been possible, I'm sure.
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this? See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this? See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?
On 8/19/2021 7:39 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this? See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?I don't think this position is a good example for arguing
that "TG is used too seldom," unless you think that humans
can play the rest of the game as well as XG can.
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:13:08 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/19/2021 7:39 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this? >>> See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?I don't think this position is a good example for arguing
that "TG is used too seldom," unless you think that humans
can play the rest of the game as well as XG can.
My reasoning is as follows:
Here's a position where XG is on the border between TG and not TG.
But from a human perspective, no one would consider holding.
So if people want to move towards XG (an assumed goal), they should consider using TG more often.
Is your point that you think it's only TG/ close to TG if you play like XG?
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:13:08 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/19/2021 7:39 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:My reasoning is as follows:
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this?I don't think this position is a good example for arguing
See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?
that "TG is used too seldom," unless you think that humans
can play the rest of the game as well as XG can.
Here's a position where XG is on the border between TG and not TG.
But from a human perspective, no one would consider holding.
So if people want to move towards XG (an assumed goal), they should consider using TG more often.
Is your point that you think it's only TG/ close to TG if you play like XG?
Paul
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 11:20:38 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 2:13:08 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/19/2021 7:39 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:My reasoning is as follows:
But it seems that playing on for the gammon is fine. But who would do this?I don't think this position is a good example for arguing
See what I mean about TG being used too seldom?
that "TG is used too seldom," unless you think that humans
can play the rest of the game as well as XG can.
Here's a position where XG is on the border between TG and not TG.
But from a human perspective, no one would consider holding.
So if people want to move towards XG (an assumed goal), they should consider using TG more often.
Is your point that you think it's only TG/ close to TG if you play like XG?
PaulWhat do you mean no one would consider holding? Of course some would.
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