• Slot to contain? 4

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 08:57:55 2023
    XGID=--aBBBC-B----D--abad--bbb-:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | X O | | O O O O | | 2 |
    | X | | O | +---+
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 91 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 11 08:48:29 2023
    XGID=--aBBBC-B----D--abad--bbb-:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | X O | | O O O O | | 2 |
    | X | | O | +---+
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 91 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51

    Several factors here point *against* the bold 13/7:

    1. O has a four-point board with no blots, which is pretty strong.
    2. The alternative of 13/12 13/8 does a fairly good job of containing
    O's checker.
    3. X is not that far behind in the pip count.
    4. 13/7 doesn't quite lock up the game if missed; only about half of
    X's rolls will complete the six-prime.

    The last of these factors is very important; see the variant.

    1. Rollout¹ 13/12 13/8 eq:+0.434
    Player: 74.27% (G:5.29% B:0.19%)
    Opponent: 25.73% (G:3.51% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.429..+0.439) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/7 eq:+0.282 (-0.153)
    Player: 68.29% (G:6.25% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 31.71% (G:7.20% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.276..+0.287) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 13/8 6/5 eq:+0.273 (-0.161)
    Player: 67.61% (G:4.55% B:0.16%)
    Opponent: 32.39% (G:3.16% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.267..+0.278) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 13/12 6/1 eq:+0.248 (-0.186)
    Player: 67.20% (G:4.46% B:0.16%)
    Opponent: 32.80% (G:5.45% B:0.09%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.242..+0.254) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout¹ 8/2* eq:+0.130 (-0.305)
    Player: 64.11% (G:8.04% B:0.26%)
    Opponent: 35.89% (G:16.34% B:0.11%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.122..+0.137) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=--aBBBC-B----D--abad--bbb-:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | X O | | O O O O | | 2 |
    | X | | O | +---+
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 91 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62

    1. Rollout¹ 13/11 13/7 eq:+0.349
    Player: 71.42% (G:6.76% B:0.24%)
    Opponent: 28.58% (G:8.88% B:0.08%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.344..+0.354) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/5 eq:+0.293 (-0.056)
    Player: 68.44% (G:4.53% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 31.56% (G:2.71% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.288..+0.298) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Wed Oct 11 09:36:07 2023
    On Wednesday, October 11, 2023 at 8:48:34 AM UTC-4, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=--aBBBC-B----D--abad--bbb-:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | X O | | O O O O | | 2 |
    | X | | O | +---+
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 91 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51
    Several factors here point *against* the bold 13/7:

    1. O has a four-point board with no blots, which is pretty strong.
    2. The alternative of 13/12 13/8 does a fairly good job of containing
    O's checker.
    3. X is not that far behind in the pip count.
    4. 13/7 doesn't quite lock up the game if missed; only about half of
    X's rolls will complete the six-prime.

    The last of these factors is very important; see the variant.

    1. Rollout¹ 13/12 13/8 eq:+0.434
    Player: 74.27% (G:5.29% B:0.19%)
    Opponent: 25.73% (G:3.51% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.429..+0.439) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/7 eq:+0.282 (-0.153)
    Player: 68.29% (G:6.25% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 31.71% (G:7.20% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.276..+0.287) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 13/8 6/5 eq:+0.273 (-0.161)
    Player: 67.61% (G:4.55% B:0.16%)
    Opponent: 32.39% (G:3.16% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.267..+0.278) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 13/12 6/1 eq:+0.248 (-0.186)
    Player: 67.20% (G:4.46% B:0.16%)
    Opponent: 32.80% (G:5.45% B:0.09%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.242..+0.254) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout¹ 8/2* eq:+0.130 (-0.305)
    Player: 64.11% (G:8.04% B:0.26%)
    Opponent: 35.89% (G:16.34% B:0.11%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.122..+0.137) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=--aBBBC-B----D--abad--bbb-:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O O O | +---+
    | X O | | O O O O | | 2 |
    | X | | O | +---+
    | X | | O |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 110 O: 91 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62

    1. Rollout¹ 13/11 13/7 eq:+0.349
    Player: 71.42% (G:6.76% B:0.24%)
    Opponent: 28.58% (G:8.88% B:0.08%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.344..+0.354) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/5 eq:+0.293 (-0.056)
    Player: 68.44% (G:4.53% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 31.56% (G:2.71% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.288..+0.298) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

    Wouldn't it make more sense for the variant to change the roll to [61] instead of [62] keeping as much of the position true to the original as possible?

    Stick

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