• A position where I think Mochy played correctly

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 17 13:45:15 2023
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would
    have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.

    Paul

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Mon Jul 17 20:33:44 2023
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would
    have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.

    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Tue Jul 18 07:10:15 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 1:33:49 AM UTC+1, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would
    have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.
    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

    Good points there. Thanks, Tim.
    Well done to Mochy for considering this play, even if he was wrong to make it. The gain from 42 and 22 might be minimal (but still present) because those rolls
    would lead Mochy to a strong double even if he had raced.
    Big payoff on the opponent's 44 though.

    Paul

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  • From Renan Moritz@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Tue Jul 18 08:53:21 2023
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would
    have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.
    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

    ---
    Tim Chow

    Mochi plays with one of the smallest error rates in the world.
    Therefore I suppose that against that specific opponent he preferred to keep contact instead of going into a simple race.
    I myself have been guilt of trying this trick, whenever I am luck enough to find an opponent that seems to deserve it

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Renan Moritz on Tue Jul 18 10:07:32 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:53:23 PM UTC+1, Renan Moritz wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.
    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

    ---
    Tim Chow
    Mochi plays with one of the smallest error rates in the world.
    Therefore I suppose that against that specific opponent he preferred to keep contact instead of going into a simple race.
    I myself have been guilt of trying this trick, whenever I am luck enough to find an opponent that seems to deserve it

    I think that, if the bot disagrees with Mochy's play (as in this instance), the default assumption should be that Mochy made
    a mistake. But this was only a small mistake as Tim says.

    This doesn't seem to be a checkerplay decision where varying according to the opponent makes a lot of sense.

    Did you look at the position? What would you play OTB?

    What would you play against a bot?

    What would you play against Mochy?

    What would you play against Jason Pack?

    Paul

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  • From Renan Moritz@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Tue Jul 18 10:19:29 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:07:34 PM UTC-3, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:53:23 PM UTC+1, Renan Moritz wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes)
    pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the
    universe to me and my village.
    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

    ---
    Tim Chow
    Mochi plays with one of the smallest error rates in the world.
    Therefore I suppose that against that specific opponent he preferred to keep contact instead of going into a simple race.
    I myself have been guilt of trying this trick, whenever I am luck enough to find an opponent that seems to deserve it
    I think that, if the bot disagrees with Mochy's play (as in this instance), the default assumption should be that Mochy made
    a mistake. But this was only a small mistake as Tim says.

    This doesn't seem to be a checkerplay decision where varying according to the opponent makes a lot of sense.

    Did you look at the position? What would you play OTB?

    What would you play against a bot?

    What would you play against Mochy?

    What would you play against Jason Pack?

    Paul

    Yes, I looked at the position
    I would go for the race against everybody except for a really weak player
    What about you?

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Renan Moritz on Tue Jul 18 13:42:24 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:19:31 PM UTC+1, Renan Moritz wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 2:07:34 PM UTC-3, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 4:53:23 PM UTC+1, Renan Moritz wrote:
    On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-3, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 7/17/2023 4:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    https://youtu.be/z6KB6RYheWU?t=2780

    Mochy's 55 enable him to create a (for all intents and purposes) pure race by 20/10(2), and I think that's what almost everyone would have done. Mochy is 18 pips up after the roll.

    But I somehow doubt that playing something else was a mistake.
    Why didn't Mochy race?

    Thank you for enriching human understanding by explaining the universe to me and my village.
    Well, XGR++ says that the two plays are close, and slightly
    prefers 20/10(2). But I think the motivation for 20/15(2) 8/3(2)
    is to put some pressure on the opponent's remaining blot. Mochy
    is not sacrificing much in terms of racing chances by staying on
    the 15pt, and he stands to gain if the opponent rolls 44 or 42
    or even 22.

    ---
    Tim Chow
    Mochi plays with one of the smallest error rates in the world.
    Therefore I suppose that against that specific opponent he preferred to keep contact instead of going into a simple race.
    I myself have been guilt of trying this trick, whenever I am luck enough to find an opponent that seems to deserve it
    I think that, if the bot disagrees with Mochy's play (as in this instance), the default assumption should be that Mochy made
    a mistake. But this was only a small mistake as Tim says.

    This doesn't seem to be a checkerplay decision where varying according to the opponent makes a lot of sense.

    Did you look at the position? What would you play OTB?

    What would you play against a bot?

    What would you play against Mochy?

    What would you play against Jason Pack?

    Paul
    Yes, I looked at the position
    I would go for the race against everybody except for a really weak player What about you?

    I'd go for the race against anybody at all, unless they were drinking beer.
    The reason for the beer exception is that if they were drinking, I might decide to drink too, and then I might get so drunk as to miss obvious racing opportunities.

    Paul

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