• 4-away/6-away cube

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 19 11:14:04 2023
    This is the first of several match cube problems.

    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:3:1:0:7:10

    Score is X:3 O:1 7 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 3-1/7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 21 08:17:27 2023
    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:3:1:0:7:10

    Score is X:3 O:1 7 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 3-1/7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    XG says that this is a borderline take/pass for money. If you're
    trailing in the match score, doesn't that mean you have more leeway
    for taking? Not necessarily. In gammonish positions, it is
    dangerous for the trailer to take when the leader is 4-away,
    especially if (as here) the gammons are mostly won by the leader.
    I underestimated the gammon threat here because O has no blots and
    has an anchor. But the 1pt anchor is not much of an anchor, and
    can lose a gammon rather easily.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.25% (G:21.75% B:1.60%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.75% (G:4.98% B:0.17%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.36% (G:22.59% B:3.54%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.64% (G:5.31% B:0.42%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.914 (-0.086)
    Double/Take: +1.182 (+0.182)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.011 (+0.904..+0.925)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.021 (+1.161..+1.203)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Money
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    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.34% (G:21.54% B:1.18%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.66% (G:5.04% B:0.18%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.29% (G:22.90% B:1.22%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.71% (G:5.45% B:0.24%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.887 (-0.113)
    Double/Take: +1.002 (+0.002)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.009 (+0.879..+0.896)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.016 (+0.987..+1.018)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Wed Jun 28 08:17:49 2023
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:3:1:0:7:10

    Score is X:3 O:1 7 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 3-1/7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    XG says that this is a borderline take/pass for money. If you're
    trailing in the match score, doesn't that mean you have more leeway
    for taking? Not necessarily. In gammonish positions, it is
    dangerous for the trailer to take when the leader is 4-away,
    especially if (as here) the gammons are mostly won by the leader.
    I underestimated the gammon threat here because O has no blots and
    has an anchor. But the 1pt anchor is not much of an anchor, and
    can lose a gammon rather easily.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.25% (G:21.75% B:1.60%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.75% (G:4.98% B:0.17%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.36% (G:22.59% B:3.54%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.64% (G:5.31% B:0.42%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.914 (-0.086)
    Double/Take: +1.182 (+0.182)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.011 (+0.904..+0.925)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.021 (+1.161..+1.203)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Money
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    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.34% (G:21.54% B:1.18%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.66% (G:5.04% B:0.18%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.29% (G:22.90% B:1.22%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.71% (G:5.45% B:0.24%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.887 (-0.113)
    Double/Take: +1.002 (+0.002)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.009 (+0.879..+0.896)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.016 (+0.987..+1.018)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

    If you're not going to stipulate which direction XG leans in close take/pass decisions I'd suggest putting which decision XG favors first. Normally I say something along the lines of "It's a borderline take/pass decision leaning towards a pass per XG"
    or something similar. I'm also okay with saying either "it's a borderline take/pass decision" or "It's a borderline pass/take decision" with the former meaning XG leans to taking and the latter XG leans toward passing. This way at least I don't have to
    guess so much what the writer's threshold is for 'borderline'. In this position for money XG has it as a pass by about .015.

    Stick

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to Stick Rice on Thu Jun 29 08:14:47 2023
    On 6/28/2023 11:17 AM, Stick Rice wrote:
    On Wednesday, June 21, 2023 at 8:17:31 AM UTC-4, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:3:1:0:7:10

    Score is X:3 O:1 7 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 3-1/7
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    XG says that this is a borderline take/pass for money. If you're
    trailing in the match score, doesn't that mean you have more leeway
    for taking? Not necessarily. In gammonish positions, it is
    dangerous for the trailer to take when the leader is 4-away,
    especially if (as here) the gammons are mostly won by the leader.
    I underestimated the gammon threat here because O has no blots and
    has an anchor. But the 1pt anchor is not much of an anchor, and
    can lose a gammon rather easily.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.25% (G:21.75% B:1.60%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.75% (G:4.98% B:0.17%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.36% (G:22.59% B:3.54%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.64% (G:5.31% B:0.42%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.914 (-0.086)
    Double/Take: +1.182 (+0.182)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.011 (+0.904..+0.925)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.021 (+1.161..+1.203)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Money
    -----

    XGID=-b--B-C-CAB-cB---e-e-B----:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X |
    | X O | | O X |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X O |
    | O X X X | | X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 147 O: 157 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 71.34% (G:21.54% B:1.18%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.66% (G:5.04% B:0.18%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 71.29% (G:22.90% B:1.22%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 28.71% (G:5.45% B:0.24%)

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.887 (-0.113)
    Double/Take: +1.002 (+0.002)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.009 (+0.879..+0.896)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.016 (+0.987..+1.018)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

    ---
    Tim Chow

    If you're not going to stipulate which direction XG leans in close take/pass decisions I'd suggest putting which decision XG favors first. Normally I say something along the lines of "It's a borderline take/pass decision leaning towards a pass per XG"
    or something similar. I'm also okay with saying either "it's a borderline take/pass decision" or "It's a borderline pass/take decision" with the former meaning XG leans to taking and the latter XG leans toward passing. This way at least I don't have to
    guess so much what the writer's threshold is for 'borderline'. In this position for money XG has it as a pass by about .015.

    Since I gave the money rollout in full, I didn't feel the need to
    specify such details verbally.

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    Tim Chow

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