• Hit for tempo? 2

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 20 09:48:00 2023
    XGID=-BCaaGB---b---b------b-dcA:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | 7 |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | O | | X X X X |
    | O | | X X O O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 80 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sat May 20 15:39:38 2023
    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 9:50:10 AM UTC-4, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-BCaaGB---b---b------b-dcA:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | 7 |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | O | | X X X X |
    | O | | X X O O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 80 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51

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    Tim Chow

    In answer to your question I would say no, definitely not.

    Stick

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 22 09:20:55 2023
    XGID=-BCaaGB---b---b------b-dcA:1:-1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | 7 |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | O | | X X X X |
    | O | | X X O O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 80 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 51

    This may look superficially similar to the last problem, but as Stick
    said, the motivation to hit here isn't to gain a tempo. O has only a
    single direct shot either way. Rather, X's position is strong enough
    that he can try hitting to win a gammon. The rollout below might
    suggest that hitting is clear, but see the variant. The tradeoff
    between wins and gammons is not so easy to assess OTB.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/20 5/4* eq:+0.716
    Player: 76.49% (G:28.59% B:0.36%)
    Opponent: 23.51% (G:1.49% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.709..+0.723) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/19 eq:+0.647 (-0.069)
    Player: 78.72% (G:15.76% B:0.11%)
    Opponent: 21.28% (G:0.38% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.641..+0.653) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ Bar/20 2/1 eq:+0.578 (-0.138)
    Player: 76.41% (G:14.39% B:0.12%)
    Opponent: 23.59% (G:0.48% B:0.01%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.572..+0.584) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Variant
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    XGID=-BCaaGB---b---b------b-dcA:1:-1:1:61:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O | +---+
    | O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | 7 |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | O | | X X X X |
    | O | | X X O O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 80 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 61

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/19 5/4* eq:+0.730
    Player: 77.01% (G:28.91% B:0.37%)
    Opponent: 22.99% (G:1.49% B:0.02%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.725..+0.735) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/18 eq:+0.711 (-0.019)
    Player: 80.67% (G:17.17% B:0.17%)
    Opponent: 19.33% (G:0.45% B:0.01%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.707..+0.716) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 4-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller+
    Search interval: Large

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 14 08:55:53 2023
    XGID=-aBABEC-B-a------------cj-:1:-1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | 10 |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | O X | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 74 O: 55 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 21

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 16 20:30:11 2023
    XGID=-aBABEC-B-a------------cj-:1:-1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | 10 |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X |
    | X | | X X X X |
    | O X | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 74 O: 55 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 21

    We should definitely hit here because O's board is so weak (and it's
    not just "for tempo" since we could even win a gammon here if we manage
    to hit a second checker after a blot-hitting contest). What surprised
    me, though, was that XG recommended volunteering a double shot with
    5/3 2/1*, rather than the prosaic 5/4 3/1*. But it makes sense if we
    think about it. We'd rather make the better board, and getting hit is
    not so bad because of O's weak board. And if we're not hit back, then
    the upside of 5/3 2/1* is considerable.

    1. Rollout¹ 5/3 2/1* eq:+0.866
    Player: 85.89% (G:19.35% B:0.46%)
    Opponent: 14.11% (G:1.02% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.861..+0.871) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 5/4 3/1* eq:+0.764 (-0.101)
    Player: 83.67% (G:14.08% B:0.28%)
    Opponent: 16.33% (G:0.70% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.760..+0.769) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 3/1* 2/1 eq:+0.690 (-0.176)
    Player: 81.82% (G:11.22% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 18.18% (G:0.57% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.685..+0.694) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 8/7 3/1* eq:+0.667 (-0.199)
    Player: 80.08% (G:13.16% B:0.26%)
    Opponent: 19.92% (G:1.30% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.662..+0.671) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout¹ 8/7 5/3 eq:+0.660 (-0.206)
    Player: 81.42% (G:9.56% B:0.21%)
    Opponent: 18.58% (G:0.36% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.656..+0.664) - [0.0%]

    6. Rollout¹ 5/4 5/3 eq:+0.637 (-0.229)
    Player: 81.58% (G:6.78% B:0.13%)
    Opponent: 18.42% (G:0.25% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.633..+0.641) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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