• Most tedious problem imaginable

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 15:18:49 2023
    I have a dull-as-ditchwater construction problem.
    Construct a money position where the optimal checker play is unique but
    where the loss in equity from choosing the second-best play is as small
    as possible.

    Paul

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Fri Apr 14 23:55:11 2023
    On 4/14/2023 6:18 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    I have a dull-as-ditchwater construction problem.
    Construct a money position where the optimal checker play is unique but
    where the loss in equity from choosing the second-best play is as small
    as possible.

    My intuition is that this is almost equivalent to the
    task of constructing a position where the player on roll has
    the smallest possible nonzero winning probability. The best
    candidates for that problem are nearly hopeless pure races,
    where the underdog has to roll boxcars over and over and the
    favorite has to roll 21 over and over. I would imagine that
    a small variant of that position would yield an excellent
    solution to your problem. For example, if the favorite
    misplays a 21 then that's not going to cost much equity.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sat Apr 15 04:10:58 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:55:15 AM UTC+1, Timothy Chow wrote:
    On 4/14/2023 6:18 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    I have a dull-as-ditchwater construction problem.
    Construct a money position where the optimal checker play is unique but where the loss in equity from choosing the second-best play is as small
    as possible.
    My intuition is that this is almost equivalent to the
    task of constructing a position where the player on roll has
    the smallest possible nonzero winning probability. The best
    candidates for that problem are nearly hopeless pure races,
    where the underdog has to roll boxcars over and over and the
    favorite has to roll 21 over and over. I would imagine that
    a small variant of that position would yield an excellent
    solution to your problem. For example, if the favorite
    misplays a 21 then that's not going to cost much equity.

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    Tim Chow
    Yes, that's a great way to get a candidate solution.
    The problem is almost certainly unsolvable.
    I think the standard most-unlikely-loss position is:
    Favourite has 14 checkers on their 3 point and one
    on their ace point. The underdog has 15 checkers on their 22 point.
    The underdog is on roll.
    Misplaying the underdog's initial roll is probably a bad idea as the extra backgammons suffered by the underdog are likely to be significant.
    So the underdog should be given a 33 and play that optimally.
    Now it's not clear to me that, if the favourite rolls a 21, there is any loss of equity by misplaying. But anyway, it's not an interesting problem, and this is certainly a good approach for anyone who is desperate to waste time
    on this issue.

    Paul

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