• 2 related race cubes

    From ah....Clem@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 9 15:33:08 2023
    Apply your favorite race cube formulas in these two related positions:

    XGID=---AAAB------------abaaa--:0:0:1:00:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 24 O: 25 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action



    /////////////////////////
    //VARIANT - move O's spare back one pip
    /////////////////////////


    XGID=---AAAB------------baaaa--:0:0:1:00:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 24 O: 26 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action





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  • From Axel Reichert@21:1/5 to ah....Clem on Thu Feb 9 21:58:54 2023
    "ah....Clem" <ah_clem@ymail.com> writes:

    Apply your favorite race cube formulas in these two related positions:

    She gets 1 pip penalty for the additional checker.

    Then it is

    80 - 24/3 + 2*2 = 76 <= 76

    in the first case (D/T) and

    80 - 24/3 + 2*1 = 78 > 76

    in the second one (D/P).

    Best regards

    Axel

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  • From ah...Clem@21:1/5 to Axel Reichert on Sun Feb 12 10:04:40 2023
    On 2/9/2023 3:58 PM, Axel Reichert wrote:
    "ah....Clem" <ah_clem@ymail.com> writes:

    Apply your favorite race cube formulas in these two related positions:

    She gets 1 pip penalty for the additional checker.

    Then it is

    80 - 24/3 + 2*2 = 76 <= 76

    in the first case (D/T) and

    80 - 24/3 + 2*1 = 78 > 76

    in the second one (D/P).

    I was a bit confused about the rollout here, mainly because I got the
    equities mixed up, but I'm still scratching my head a bit.

    Isight says the first position is right at the point of last take, so it
    should be a close take (and perhaps a close pass depending on some
    features of the position that the adjusted pipcount doesn't account for
    - e.g. X can afford to miss once while O cannot) Rollout says it's a
    blunder to pass this one. (see variant below)

    XGID=---AAAB------------abaaa--:0:0:1:00:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 24 O: 25 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 74.93% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 25.07% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 74.93% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 25.07% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.499, Double=+0.997

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.718 (-0.194)
    Double/Take: +0.912
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.088)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.002 (+0.716..+0.720)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.003 (+0.909..+0.914)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 1.8 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10


    ///////////////
    //variant
    ///////////////

    Moving the spare back a pip leads to the Isight verdict of clear D/P,
    but the rollout has the take decision razor thin (and four ply says D/T)

    Isight gets both positions right, but I expected the first position to
    be a close take and the second to be a clear pass. Didn't try other race
    cube formulae.

    XGID=---AAAB------------baaaa--:0:0:1:00:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 24 O: 26 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 77.09% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 22.91% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 77.07% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 22.93% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.542, Double=+1.083

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.768 (-0.232)
    Double/Take: +1.009 (+0.009)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    2592 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.001 (+0.766..+0.769)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.002 (+1.007..+1.011)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 2.2 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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