• I would take this but I don't think Tim would.

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 12 14:58:25 2021
    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Thu Aug 12 23:27:19 2021
    On 8/12/2021 5:58 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    You're right that I probably wouldn't take this, but I don't
    think it's an obvious pass. O isn't on the bar and she has
    made her 4pt. The trouble is that X's numbers are well
    diversified. He has 1's, 2's, and 6's to hit the blot on
    his 7pt, and 54 and 63 hit the blot on the 15pt. He also
    has the option of hitting the blot on his 1pt with a 5 or
    a 43 or 53 (or he could make his 3pt with a 53). Basically
    X has no bad rolls. Of course O might roll well in return
    (e.g., hitting back) so if it were just a matter of winning
    chances, she could take, but O loses uncomfortably many
    gammons from here.
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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 13 05:13:05 2021
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:27:22 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 8/12/2021 5:58 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    You're right that I probably wouldn't take this, but I don't
    think it's an obvious pass. O isn't on the bar and she has
    made her 4pt. The trouble is that X's numbers are well
    diversified. He has 1's, 2's, and 6's to hit the blot on
    his 7pt, and 54 and 63 hit the blot on the 15pt. He also
    has the option of hitting the blot on his 1pt with a 5 or
    a 43 or 53 (or he could make his 3pt with a 53). Basically
    X has no bad rolls. Of course O might roll well in return
    (e.g., hitting back) so if it were just a matter of winning
    chances, she could take, but O loses uncomfortably many
    gammons from here.
    Despite you getting my previous quizzes wrong fairly consistently,
    your analysis seems perfect, here. It's a marginal pass which is just as you suggest.
    It's about 1.025. I'll try to remember to post a rollout this evening.
    The pre-rollout analysis was much more marginal -- something like a 1.009 pass, which
    enabled my take to emerge unpunished. However, I got an error-ding after doing the rollout.

    You are correct that, for a pass, there are a large number of wins for the underdog (31%)
    and that it is a pass because the underdog loses many gammons -- 30%.

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Fri Aug 13 05:11:19 2021
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:27:22 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 8/12/2021 5:58 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    You're right that I probably wouldn't take this, but I don't
    think it's an obvious pass. O isn't on the bar and she has
    made her 4pt. The trouble is that X's numbers are well
    diversified. He has 1's, 2's, and 6's to hit the blot on
    his 7pt, and 54 and 63 hit the blot on the 15pt. He also
    has the option of hitting the blot on his 1pt with a 5 or
    a 43 or 53 (or he could make his 3pt with a 53). Basically
    X has no bad rolls. Of course O might roll well in return
    (e.g., hitting back) so if it were just a matter of winning
    chances, she could take, but O loses uncomfortably many
    gammons from here.

    Despite you getting my previous quizzes wrong fairly consistently,
    your analysis seems perfect, here. It's a marginal pass which is just as you suggest.
    It's about 1.025. I'll try to remember to post a rollout this evening.
    The pre-rollout analysis was much more marginal -- something like a 1.009 pass, which
    enabled my take to emerge unpunished. However, I got an error-ding after doing the rollout.

    Paul

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Fri Aug 13 08:47:32 2021
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:13:06 PM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:11:20 PM UTC+1, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 4:27:22 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 8/12/2021 5:58 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    You're right that I probably wouldn't take this, but I don't
    think it's an obvious pass. O isn't on the bar and she has
    made her 4pt. The trouble is that X's numbers are well
    diversified. He has 1's, 2's, and 6's to hit the blot on
    his 7pt, and 54 and 63 hit the blot on the 15pt. He also
    has the option of hitting the blot on his 1pt with a 5 or
    a 43 or 53 (or he could make his 3pt with a 53). Basically
    X has no bad rolls. Of course O might roll well in return
    (e.g., hitting back) so if it were just a matter of winning
    chances, she could take, but O loses uncomfortably many
    gammons from here.
    Despite you getting my previous quizzes wrong fairly consistently,
    your analysis seems perfect, here. It's a marginal pass which is just as you suggest.
    It's about 1.025. I'll try to remember to post a rollout this evening.
    The pre-rollout analysis was much more marginal -- something like a 1.009 pass, which
    enabled my take to emerge unpunished. However, I got an error-ding after doing the rollout.
    You are correct that, for a pass, there are a large number of wins for the underdog (31%)
    and that it is a pass because the underdog loses many gammons -- 30%.

    XGID=-b--B-E-C-A-bB--acAcbb--A-:0:0:-1:00:0:2:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:2 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | O | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X X O | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 143 O: 140 X-O: 2-0
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 68.98% (G:30.28% B:1.69%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 31.02% (G:8.71% B:0.58%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 69.18% (G:32.82% B:1.68%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 30.82% (G:8.93% B:0.64%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.606, Double=+1.266

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.766 (-0.234)
    Double/Take: +1.032 (+0.032)
    Double/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Double / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.011 (+0.755..+0.776)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.018 (+1.014..+1.051)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 17 hours 48 minutes

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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