• Gammon save

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 18 09:53:14 2022
    XGID=-BBAaBBB--A-bBaa---bbbbbA-:0:0:1:21:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O O X |
    | X | | O O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X X X X |
    | O X X | | X X O X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 105 O: 108 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 21

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 08:53:28 2022
    XGID=-BBAaBBB--A-bBaa---bbbbbA-:0:0:1:21:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O O X |
    | X | | O O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X X X X |
    | O X X | | X X O X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 105 O: 108 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 21

    This problem is of course a lot easier with QF. Over the board,
    I suspect that very few players would play the banana split, given
    that it's gammon save. But X is in trouble regardless, and this
    may be his only chance to put O on the bar against a four-point
    board.

    1. Rollout¹ 5/3 5/4* eq:-0.843
    Player: 37.80% (G:16.81% B:0.13%)
    Opponent: 62.20% (G:29.96% B:2.43%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.849..-0.838) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 6/4* 4/3 eq:-0.885 (-0.042)
    Player: 37.73% (G:16.00% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 62.27% (G:32.00% B:2.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.891..-0.879) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 10/7 eq:-0.944 (-0.101)
    Player: 26.51% (G:6.47% B:0.12%)
    Opponent: 73.49% (G:23.72% B:1.11%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.949..-0.939) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Tue Dec 20 14:49:17 2022
    On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 1:53:31 PM UTC, Tim Chow wrote:
    XGID=-BBAaBBB--A-bBaa---bbbbbA-:0:0:1:21:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O O X |
    | X | | O O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O X | | X X X X |
    | O X X | | X X O X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 105 O: 108 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 21
    This problem is of course a lot easier with QF. Over the board,
    I suspect that very few players would play the banana split, given
    that it's gammon save. But X is in trouble regardless, and this
    may be his only chance to put O on the bar against a four-point
    board.

    1. Rollout¹ 5/3 5/4* eq:-0.843
    Player: 37.80% (G:16.81% B:0.13%)
    Opponent: 62.20% (G:29.96% B:2.43%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.849..-0.838) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 6/4* 4/3 eq:-0.885 (-0.042)
    Player: 37.73% (G:16.00% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 62.27% (G:32.00% B:2.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.891..-0.879) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 10/7 eq:-0.944 (-0.101)
    Player: 26.51% (G:6.47% B:0.12%)
    Opponent: 73.49% (G:23.72% B:1.11%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.949..-0.939) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

    It's a great problem. OTB, I'd play 10/7 for sure.
    Not sure what I'd play, considering QF. I'd probably
    be intellectually honest and pick 10/7 anyway.

    Paul

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 07:41:47 2023
    XGID=-A-B-CCaC---b--Abbbcc-B---:0:0:1:62:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | O O O | | O O X |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X O | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 123 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 62

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  • From badgolferman@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Fri Jul 28 17:02:32 2023
    Timothy Chow wrote:

    XGID=-A-B-CCaC---b--Abbbcc-B---:0:0:1:62:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | O O O | | O O X |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X O | | X X X X | +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 123 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 62

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    Tim Chow



    I just don't see much choice other than 15/7*. Without a 1, X can't
    escape so maybe it's not a bad option to get hit and load up the
    opponent's home board.

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  • From ah...Clem@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Fri Jul 28 14:55:53 2023
    On 7/27/2023 7:41 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-A-B-CCaC---b--Abbbcc-B---:0:0:1:62:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.  +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
     |       X  O  O  O |   | O  O     X       |  |          O  O  O |   | O  O     X       |  |                  |   | O  O             |  |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |BAR|                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |             X    |   | X  X             |  | O           X    |   | X  X     X       |
     | O           X  O |   | X  X     X     X |  +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count  X: 123  O: 125 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 62


    At a normal match score I'll hit here. I have the three point and she
    only has two homeboard points. At GS, how gammonish is it to have a
    third checker back when owning the three point anchor? Probably not
    very. Four is a different matter and by hitting X exposes two blots
    while the safer 15/9 5/3 only exposes 11 shots and no double shots.


    So, I'll make that play, figuring that once I've played 15/9, 5/3 is
    more flexible.

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 29 08:33:13 2023
    XGID=-A-B-CCaC---b--Abbbcc-B---:0:0:1:62:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | O O O | | O O X |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X O | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 123 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 62

    Hitting is the obvious play, and would be the bot play at most scores.
    But this is gammon save, and hitting leaves more shots and blots.
    Is it worth the risk? XG says, "No way, Jose!" But if we modify the
    position by advancing X's anchor, then XG hits even at gammon save.

    1. Rollout¹ 15/9 6/4 eq:-0.742
    Player: 22.21% (G:2.41% B:0.07%)
    Opponent: 77.79% (G:9.33% B:0.59%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.748..-0.737) - [89.8%]

    2. Rollout¹ 15/9 8/6 eq:-0.748 (-0.006)
    Player: 21.72% (G:2.26% B:0.09%)
    Opponent: 78.28% (G:9.12% B:0.50%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.753..-0.743) - [5.8%]

    3. Rollout¹ 15/9 3/1 eq:-0.753 (-0.011)
    Player: 21.73% (G:2.30% B:0.03%)
    Opponent: 78.27% (G:9.38% B:0.51%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (-0.763..-0.742) - [3.7%]

    4. Rollout¹ 15/9 5/3 eq:-0.757 (-0.014)
    Player: 21.73% (G:2.32% B:0.07%)
    Opponent: 78.27% (G:9.56% B:0.37%)
    Confidence: ±0.011 (-0.767..-0.746) - [0.7%]

    5. Rollout¹ 15/7* eq:-0.833 (-0.091)
    Player: 23.82% (G:4.54% B:0.11%)
    Opponent: 76.18% (G:15.47% B:1.09%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.839..-0.827) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=-A-B-CCaC---b--AbbbccB----:0:0:1:62:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | O O O | | O O X |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X X |
    | O X | | X X X |
    | O X O | | X X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 121 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 62

    1. Rollout¹ 15/7* eq:-0.455
    Player: 37.14% (G:9.33% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 62.86% (G:9.89% B:0.86%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.461..-0.449) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 15/9 6/4 eq:-0.475 (-0.019)
    Player: 31.70% (G:2.98% B:0.07%)
    Opponent: 68.30% (G:5.43% B:0.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (-0.479..-0.470) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 15/9 3/1 eq:-0.478 (-0.023)
    Player: 31.50% (G:2.87% B:0.03%)
    Opponent: 68.50% (G:5.39% B:0.24%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.482..-0.473) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 15/9 8/6 eq:-0.479 (-0.024)
    Player: 31.43% (G:2.60% B:0.05%)
    Opponent: 68.57% (G:5.37% B:0.27%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.483..-0.474) - [0.0%]

    5. Rollout¹ 15/9 5/3 eq:-0.485 (-0.030)
    Player: 31.32% (G:2.75% B:0.04%)
    Opponent: 68.68% (G:5.56% B:0.45%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.489..-0.480) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 24 19:51:58 2023
    XGID=----aaEBBAA-bB---d-bc-B-b-:0:0:1:31:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X O |
    | X O | | O O X O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 149 O: 128 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 31

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 27 07:24:55 2023
    XGID=----aaEBBAA-bB---d-bc-B-b-:0:0:1:31:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X O |
    | X O | | O O X O |
    | O | | O |
    | O | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | O X X | | X |
    | O X X X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 149 O: 128 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 31

    At a normal score, XG plays 8/5* 6/5 as one might expect, even
    though it leaves three blots in the outfield. But 8/5* 6/5 loses
    more gammons than I expected, despite X's anchor.

    1. Rollout¹ 10/9 6/3 eq:-0.288
    Player: 44.90% (G:9.64% B:0.93%)
    Opponent: 55.10% (G:9.30% B:0.82%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.294..-0.282) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 10/7 9/8 eq:-0.361 (-0.073)
    Player: 39.70% (G:7.08% B:0.51%)
    Opponent: 60.30% (G:7.72% B:0.27%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.366..-0.355) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 8/5* 6/5 eq:-0.364 (-0.076)
    Player: 49.62% (G:13.85% B:1.69%)
    Opponent: 50.38% (G:17.82% B:2.69%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (-0.371..-0.357) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 5 03:13:58 2024
    XGID=-a----E-C---bFa-bb-e-bA---:0:0:1:43:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | X O O | | O O |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | 6 | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 154 O: 133 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 43

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 11 17:07:23 2024
    XGID=-a----E-C---bFa-bb-e-bA---:0:0:1:43:1:0:1:2:10

    Score is X:1 O:0 2 pt.(s) match.
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O O | | O O X |
    | X O O | | O O |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | 6 | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 154 O: 133 X-O: 1-0/2 Crawford
    Cube: 1
    X to play 43

    For money or DMP, 13/10 13/9 is a perfectly reasonable candidate play,
    but it exposes extra blots and loses a lot more gammons.

    1. Rollout¹ 22/15 eq:-0.811
    Player: 30.95% (G:3.98% B:0.47%)
    Opponent: 69.05% (G:21.48% B:0.79%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (-0.817..-0.804) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/10 13/9 eq:-0.930 (-0.119)
    Player: 33.98% (G:7.69% B:0.77%)
    Opponent: 66.02% (G:30.46% B:1.31%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (-0.937..-0.922) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release, MET: Kazaross XG2

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    Tim Chow

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