• What did Kit say about ace-point games?

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 11:20:10 2022
    XGID=-bCDBBC-A---a-----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:11:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | O X | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 62 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 11

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    Tim Chow

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  • From ah....Clem@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Sat Nov 26 13:36:57 2022
    On 11/26/2022 11:20 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=-bCDBBC-A---a-----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:11:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
     +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
     |                O |   | O  O  O  O  O    | +---+
     |                  |   | O  O  O  O  O    | | 2 |
     |                  |   | O                | +---+
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |BAR|                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |          X       |
     |                  |   | X        X  X    |
     |                  |   | X  X  X  X  X  O |
     | O           X    |   | X  X  X  X  X  O |
     +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count  X: 62  O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 11

    I don't know what Kit said, but I describe it as "sitting on the ace
    point waiting patiently to lose".

    QF says clear the six point now, only giving up 61 to hit and minimizing
    later shots. I don't usually do QF, but I'll make an exception here.
    Doubt I'd see it OTB.

    6/5(2) 6/4



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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 29 08:44:45 2022
    XGID=-bCDBBC-A---a-----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:11:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | O X | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 62 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 11

    Kit Woolsey is sometimes quoted as saying, "Clear from the rear and
    don't ask questions." But in the following article, he makes a more
    nuanced claim: "If the resulting position is relatively smooth, clear
    from the back and don't ask any questions."

    https://bkgm.com/articles/Woolsey/AcePoint-DoYouKnowYourAcePoint/

    In the same article, he also gives examples of clearing the 5pt when
    you still haven't cleared the 6pt. How smooth the position is an
    important consideration. Here, clearing from the rear with 8/5 6/5
    leaves a somewhat awkward "valley" on the 4pt, which could lead to
    blotting with 4's later.

    In Robertie's "501" book, he gives a position where he claims that
    it's right to clear the 5pt. But modern bots don't agree. Again,
    the smoothness of the position has to be considered.

    1. Rollout¹ 8/6 5/4(2) eq:+0.878
    Player: 89.33% (G:12.58% B:0.27%)
    Opponent: 10.67% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.003 (+0.875..+0.881) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 8/5 6/5 eq:+0.832 (-0.045)
    Player: 86.68% (G:14.02% B:0.45%)
    Opponent: 13.32% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.829..+0.836) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Robertie 323 of 501
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    XGID=-bDBCBDaa-------abbbbb----:1:-1:1:31:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O O | | O O O | +---+
    | O O | | O O O | | 2 |
    | | | | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | | | X X X |
    | | | X X X X X O |
    | O O | | X X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 60 O: 152 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 31

    1. XG Roller++ 6/5 6/3 eq:+1.002
    Player: 78.63% (G:45.56% B:5.04%)
    Opponent: 21.37% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    2. XG Roller++ 5/4 5/2 eq:+0.974 (-0.028)
    Player: 79.04% (G:42.35% B:4.17%)
    Opponent: 20.96% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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