XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10

X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 160 O: 162 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 43




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Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.

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On November 11, 2022 at 3:39:45 AM UTC+1, ah....Clem wrote:

XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10
X to play 43

My Jamaican friend looked at it
and started to reggae...

Are we gonna bake it?
No, noo, nooo, no.

Are we gonna roast it?
No, noo, nooo, no.

Are we gonna fry it?
No, noo, nooo, no.

Are we gonna steam it?
No, noo, nooo, no.

Are we gonna smoke it?
Yeeayyyahh... :)

I couldn't decide between split, shiplit, shlit, shit.

Whatever... Pffrrtt!!

"Walter the Farting Dog" toy sells for $15.50 on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/MerryMakers-Walter-Farting-Plush-8-Inch/dp/1579821715/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=farting+toys&qid=1668163152&sr=8-3

MK

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On 11/10/2022 9:39 PM, ah....Clem wrote:

XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10

X:Player 1   O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
 +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
 | X        O  O    |   | O              X |
 | X           O    |   | O              X |
 | X           O    |   | O                |
 | X                |   | O                |
 |                  |   | O                |
 |                  |BAR|                  |
 |                  |   | X                |
 | O                |   | X                |
 | O                |   | X                |
 | O           X  X |   | X                |
 | O           X  X |   | X           O  O |
 +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count  X: 160  O: 162 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 43

Stick will want to call this 61P-41S-43. It really "should" be
called 61P-41Z-43, but nobody's fighting that battle on r.g.b.

I'm inclined to play two up here, 24/20 24/21. If it were the
second roll of the game and the opponent had opened with 24/23 13/9
then the computer would hit and split for lack of anything better
to do, but now that X has made his bar point, he can try for more
of an advantage. Two down strips the midpoint and gives O too many
good rolls I think (those indirect shots from her split back checkers
add up). 24/21 13/9 should be okay as well, but again gives O ways
to attack on both sides of the board. Two up has the usual benefit
of giving X a chance to make a high anchor even if one of those
checkers is pointed on.

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Tim Chow

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On November 11, 2022 at 8:19:51 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

On 11/10/2022 9:39 PM, ah....Clem wrote:

XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10
X to play 43

Stick will want to call this 61P-41S-43.

Is it okay with Stick that you speak for him..? Just asking.

It really "should" be called 61P-41Z-43, but nobody's
fighting that battle on r.g.b.

Sounds like you started that battle now, with an army of
one man against a straw Stick... ;)

I'm inclined to play two up here, 24/20 24/21. If it were...

Why did you have to write all that unnecessary trite? Just
to give support to a career bozo..?

Since he started this thread, now I'm so curious to hear
what he had in mind to say himself...? :)

MK

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On 11/12/2022 5:31 AM, MK wrote:

Why did you have to write all that unnecessary trite? Just
to give support to a career bozo..?

No, in order to provoke you or one of your sock-puppets to
spew nonsense so that I can get a good laugh today. Thanks!

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Tim Chow

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On November 12, 2022 at 4:20:03 PM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

On 11/12/2022 5:31 AM, MK wrote:

Why did you have to write all that unnecessary trite?
Just to give support to a career bozo..?

No, in order to provoke you

You haven't.

or one of your sock-puppets

I have no sock-puppets.

to spew nonsense

I'm not one of you bozos.
I don't spew nonsense.

so that I can get a good laugh today.

Sorry to disappoint you. :(

Thanks!

For what?

Besides, I don't believe anything you
said. I think you were lying. ;)

MK

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On Saturday, November 12, 2022 at 10:31:35 AM UTC, MK wrote:
...

Is it okay with Stick that you speak for him..? Just asking.

...
I definitely remember Tim posting stuff like "Paul would call this
..." or "Paul would say..."
And no, I didn't mind when he did this.
(It's possible that he only did this once.)

Paul

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On 11/12/2022 7:04 PM, MK wrote:
[stuff deleted]

LOL! Thanks for obliging me yet again! You're such a trooper.

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Tim Chow

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This looks like a fairly common third roll situation, but I can barely
remember the opening replies let alone the replies to those.

Down is counter-indicated since O is split.
Up seems to be rarely the right move so I don't tend to play that.
Reverse split is usually better than the vanilla split, so I went with Z.

Didn't really consider Hit and Split since I'm wary of slotting low
points (cf "The problem with slotting your 2 point...) but that's XG's
choice at four-ply, XGR+, XGR++, and the full rollout below.

The benefits to H+S is that it unstacks the six point, takes away half
O's roll, activates the back checkers, and aims one of them at the blot
on the 16. That's a fair amount of positives.


XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10

X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 160 O: 162 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 43

1. Rollout¹ 24/21 6/2* eq:+0.124
Player: 52.79% (G:15.10% B:0.73%)
Opponent: 47.21% (G:13.07% B:0.58%)
Confidence: ±0.015 (+0.109..+0.139) - [99.5%]
Duration: 14 minutes 58 seconds

2. Rollout¹ 24/21 13/9 eq:+0.094 (-0.030)
Player: 52.25% (G:15.37% B:0.80%)
Opponent: 47.75% (G:14.09% B:0.65%)
Confidence: ±0.017 (+0.077..+0.111) - [0.4%]
Duration: 13 minutes 11 seconds

3. Rollout¹ 24/21 24/20 eq:+0.091 (-0.033)
Player: 52.57% (G:14.16% B:0.73%)
Opponent: 47.43% (G:13.89% B:0.55%)
Confidence: ±0.016 (+0.075..+0.107) - [0.1%]
Duration: 12 minutes 57 seconds

4. Rollout¹ 24/20 13/10 eq:+0.066 (-0.059)
Player: 51.92% (G:14.81% B:0.76%)
Opponent: 48.08% (G:13.82% B:0.64%)
Confidence: ±0.015 (+0.050..+0.081) - [0.0%]
Duration: 13 minutes 44 seconds

5. Rollout¹ 13/10 13/9 eq:+0.036 (-0.088)
Player: 50.89% (G:16.02% B:0.77%)
Opponent: 49.11% (G:14.72% B:0.91%)
Confidence: ±0.016 (+0.020..+0.052) - [0.0%]
Duration: 13 minutes 13 seconds


¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller


eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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I thought this position was interesting enough to do a 5184-game rollout
of my own. The equities of the top plays are a bit more closely bunched together than it might appear from your 1296-game rollout.

XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10

Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 160 O: 162 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 43

1. Rollout¹ 24/21 6/2* eq:+0.111
Player: 52.69% (G:14.76% B:0.69%)
Opponent: 47.31% (G:13.04% B:0.61%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.104..+0.119) - [99.8%]

2. Rollout¹ 24/21 24/20 eq:+0.095 (-0.016)
Player: 52.61% (G:13.75% B:0.70%)
Opponent: 47.39% (G:13.74% B:0.48%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.087..+0.103) - [0.1%]

3. Rollout¹ 24/21 13/9 eq:+0.089 (-0.022)
Player: 52.22% (G:15.62% B:0.79%)
Opponent: 47.78% (G:14.00% B:0.65%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.081..+0.097) - [0.0%]

4. Rollout¹ 24/20 13/10 eq:+0.064 (-0.048)
Player: 51.78% (G:14.91% B:0.83%)
Opponent: 48.22% (G:14.23% B:0.66%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.055..+0.072) - [0.0%]

¹ 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 271828
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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Tim Chow

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On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 10:19:12 PM UTC-5, Tim Chow wrote:

I thought this position was interesting enough to do a 5184-game rollout
of my own. The equities of the top plays are a bit more closely bunched together than it might appear from your 1296-game rollout. XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 160 O: 162 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 43
1. Rollout¹ 24/21 6/2* eq:+0.111
Player: 52.69% (G:14.76% B:0.69%)
Opponent: 47.31% (G:13.04% B:0.61%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.104..+0.119) - [99.8%]

2. Rollout¹ 24/21 24/20 eq:+0.095 (-0.016)
Player: 52.61% (G:13.75% B:0.70%)
Opponent: 47.39% (G:13.74% B:0.48%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.087..+0.103) - [0.1%]

3. Rollout¹ 24/21 13/9 eq:+0.089 (-0.022)
Player: 52.22% (G:15.62% B:0.79%)
Opponent: 47.78% (G:14.00% B:0.65%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.081..+0.097) - [0.0%]

4. Rollout¹ 24/20 13/10 eq:+0.064 (-0.048)
Player: 51.78% (G:14.91% B:0.83%)
Opponent: 48.22% (G:14.23% B:0.66%)
Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.055..+0.072) - [0.0%]

¹ 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 271828
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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Tim Chow

I have all the third rolls rolled out so no need to waste your cpu time and electric bill, just ask.

Stick

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On November 13, 2022 at 7:07:50 AM UTC-7, peps...@gmail.com wrote:

On November 12, 2022 at 10:31:35 AM UTC, MK wrote:

Is it okay with Stick that you speak for him..? Just asking.

I definitely remember Tim posting stuff like
"Paul would call this..." or "Paul would say..."
And no, I didn't mind when he did this.
(It's possible that he only did this once.)

Yes, we all do it and I wasn't askin about you
but wanted to know if Stick would agree with
Tim's saying he would call this 61P-41S-43.

He may or may not be reading every post and
may or may not want to answer my question.

MK

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On November 13, 2022 at 7:08:29 AM UTC-7, Tim Chow wrote:

On 11/12/2022 7:04 PM, MK wrote:

[stuff deleted]
LOL! Thanks for obliging me yet again!
You're such a trooper.

The stuff you deleted indicated that you had
commented on ah..clem's post not as a reply
to him but to provoke me.

It sure must have made him feel as valuable
as a million dollar's worth of shit! :(

While giving me the pleasure of owning you. :)

Why don't you try to exist and live your life for
yourself, instead of wasting yourself trying in
vain to provoke me all the time...?

MK

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On November 14, 2022 at 2:24:31 PM UTC-7, Stick Rice wrote:

On November 13, 2022 at 10:19:12 PM UTC-5, Tim Chow wrote:

XGID=-aa---EBB---dD--ac-e----B-:0:0:1:43:0:0:3:0:10
X to play 43

I have all the third rolls rolled out so no need to
waste your cpu time and electric bill, just ask.

Can I ask instead? What does your bot rollout say?

And what about how would you play? 61P-41S-43?

MK

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On 11/15/2022 8:01 PM, MK wrote:

The stuff you deleted indicated that you had
commented on ah..clem's post not as a reply
to him but to provoke me.

It sure must have made him feel as valuable
as a million dollar's worth of shit! :(

While giving me the pleasure of owning you. :)

Why don't you try to exist and live your life for
yourself, instead of wasting yourself trying in
vain to provoke me all the time...?

Great stuff! Keep it coming. Please continue to post articles
insisting that I'm not provoking you to post articles! Who knows,
maybe, as in a famous Monty Python skit, you'll succeed in killing
me by making me laugh so hard that I keel over and die.

Come on, Murat. You know you want to. Take a deep breath and spew
some vitriol! Own me! Feel the pleasure. Feel the pleasure of not
being provoked by anything I say! I've got my popcorn and laugh track
ready. Any time you're ready, I am!

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