This is the first of a short series of problems in which making
the 5pt is one of the options.
XGID=--a---EbC--CdB---cad-B----:0:0:1:63:0:0:0:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X O | | X |
| O X X O | | X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 155 O: 166 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 63
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Tim Chow
This is the first of a short series of problems in which making
the 5pt is one of the options.
XGID=--a---EbC--CdB---cad-B----:0:0:1:63:0:0:0:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X O | | X |
| O X X O | | X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 155 O: 166 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 63
---
Tim Chow
This is the first of a short series of problems in which making
the 5pt is one of the options.
XGID=--a---EbC--CdB---cad-B----:0:0:1:63:0:0:0:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X O | | X |
| O X X O | | X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 155 O: 166 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 63
This is the first of a short series of problems in which making
the 5pt is one of the options.
XGID=--a---EbC--CdB---cad-B----:0:0:1:63:0:0:0:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O X |
| X O | | O X |
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X O | | X |
| O X X O | | X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 155 O: 166 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 63
---
Tim Chow
I can't believe people are making the five here. This is an 'obvious exception'. You make your five point you aren't attacking anything, you aren't priming anything...oh wait, you are semi priming yourself by allowing the opponent to make his barpoint/five point while you have two men anchored on the 21pt, a 20 pip racing lead and a rough road escaping since you didn't do it now. Yes, making the 5pt should be the default in general but another default is in the early game when you have a better
Stick
On 10/26/2022 3:54 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
point/five point while you have two men anchored on the 21pt, a 20 pip racing lead and a rough road escaping since you didn't do it now. Yes, making the 5pt should be the default in general but another default is in the early game when you have a betterI can't believe people are making the five here. This is an 'obvious exception'. You make your five point you aren't attacking anything, you aren't priming anything...oh wait, you are semi priming yourself by allowing the opponent to make his bar
Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?StickThanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:13:43 PM UTC+1, ah...Clem wrote:
Thanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?
On 10/27/2022 2:06 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:13:43 PM UTC+1, ah...Clem wrote:
It's a work in progress. Comments cheerfully accepted.Thanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kL8S4H7rJaAHnUhrTJc0fGcIH5-eo7cMXqvvt6-wWig/edit?usp=sharing
On 10/27/2022 2:06 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:13:43 PM UTC+1, ah...Clem wrote:
It's a work in progress. Comments cheerfully accepted.Thanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kL8S4H7rJaAHnUhrTJc0fGcIH5-eo7cMXqvvt6-wWig/edit?usp=sharing
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:17:40 PM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:
On 10/27/2022 2:06 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:13:43 PM UTC+1, ah...Clem wrote:
It's a work in progress. Comments cheerfully accepted.Thanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kL8S4H7rJaAHnUhrTJc0fGcIH5-eo7cMXqvvt6-wWig/edit?usp=sharingThere are many points I'd like cleaned up, attributed correctly, or flat out deleted but the only thing I must insist on is it's O'Hagan, not O'Hagen.
Stick
On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:33:11 PM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:17:40 PM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:
On 10/27/2022 2:06 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 4:13:43 PM UTC+1, ah...Clem wrote:
It's a work in progress. Comments cheerfully accepted.Thanks. I've added this piece of wisdom to my list.Are any of the items in the list available for sharing?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kL8S4H7rJaAHnUhrTJc0fGcIH5-eo7cMXqvvt6-wWig/edit?usp=sharingThere are many points I'd like cleaned up, attributed correctly, or flat out deleted but the only thing I must insist on is it's O'Hagan, not O'Hagen.
StickI've heard the one about not doubling with a one-point board, but I haven't heard it called "Dimitri's Rule" and there are _tons_ of exceptions.
Paul
I've never heard someone say not to cube with only a one point board. In fact, I know I did a series somewhere called 'Pointless Doubles' where obviously we examined when you could/should cube with only a one point board. On the surface to me itseems like a lame rule. Like how often does it come up that you think about doubling without any additional points made? And when it does, it's probably more like to fit into a situation that you could/should be doubling.
On 10/28/2022 2:59 PM, Stick Rice wrote:seems like a lame rule. Like how often does it come up that you think about doubling without any additional points made? And when it does, it's probably more like to fit into a situation that you could/should be doubling.
I've never heard someone say not to cube with only a one point board. In fact, I know I did a series somewhere called 'Pointless Doubles' where obviously we examined when you could/should cube with only a one point board. On the surface to me it
Below is a position that I encountered recently which I thought
was a clear take.
XGID=aaaaA-DBB---cD-A-cAe------:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X X O X | | O |
| X O | | O |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X X O O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 143 O: 187 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action
Analyzed in Rollout
No double
Player Winning Chances: 68.97% (G:30.26% B:2.81%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 31.03% (G:5.66% B:0.25%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 68.78% (G:30.34% B:2.89%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 31.22% (G:5.80% B:0.25%)
Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.909 (-0.091)
Double/Take: +1.050 (+0.050)
Double/Pass: +1.000
Best Cube action: Double / Pass
Rollout:
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 271828
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Confidence No Double: ± 0.015 (+0.894..+0.925)
Confidence Double: ± 0.020 (+1.029..+1.070)
On 10/28/2022 2:59 PM, Stick Rice wrote:seems like a lame rule. Like how often does it come up that you think about doubling without any additional points made? And when it does, it's probably more like to fit into a situation that you could/should be doubling.
I've never heard someone say not to cube with only a one point board. In fact, I know I did a series somewhere called 'Pointless Doubles' where obviously we examined when you could/should cube with only a one point board. On the surface to me it
Below is a position that I encountered recently which I thought
was a clear take.
XGID=aaaaA-DBB---cD-A-cAe------:0:0:1:00:0:0:0:0:10
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X X O X | | O |
| X O | | O |
| X O | | O |
| X | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X |
| O | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O X X | | X X O O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 143 O: 187 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action
Analyzed in Rollout
No double
Player Winning Chances: 68.97% (G:30.26% B:2.81%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 31.03% (G:5.66% B:0.25%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 68.78% (G:30.34% B:2.89%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 31.22% (G:5.80% B:0.25%)
Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.909 (-0.091)
Double/Take: +1.050 (+0.050)
Double/Pass: +1.000
Best Cube action: Double / Pass
Rollout:
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Dice Seed: 271828
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Confidence No Double: ± 0.015 (+0.894..+0.925)
Confidence Double: ± 0.020 (+1.029..+1.070)
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