and the fourth fur is not so obvious.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
and the fourth fur is not so obvious.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:though, there are some other rolls that while they play safe perhaps this turn they sure are fugly and lead to more shots after taking a checker off now. So idk what I'd do otb, it would most likely depend on who/what I'm playing.
and the fourth fur is not so obvious.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
Loosely speaking in these situations I have:
1) If the gammon is very unlikely, play safe (dmp)
2) If the gammon is highly likely already, play safe (dmp)
3) If the gammon is somewhere in the messy middle ground peeling is hugely favored to be correct
In this problem it's tough - given Tim's noting the large difference of the immediate shot leaving numbers (coupled with the opp's board already being strong enough that being hit is very near death). It's not only the immediate shot leaving numbers
On 9/27/2022 7:22 PM, Stick Rice wrote:though, there are some other rolls that while they play safe perhaps this turn they sure are fugly and lead to more shots after taking a checker off now. So idk what I'd do otb, it would most likely depend on who/what I'm playing.
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:
and the fourth fur is not so obvious.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
Loosely speaking in these situations I have:
1) If the gammon is very unlikely, play safe (dmp)
2) If the gammon is highly likely already, play safe (dmp)
3) If the gammon is somewhere in the messy middle ground peeling is hugely favored to be correct
In this problem it's tough - given Tim's noting the large difference of the immediate shot leaving numbers (coupled with the opp's board already being strong enough that being hit is very near death). It's not only the immediate shot leaving numbers
This was from an online Chouette with the opponent XGR++, if that helps
your decision.
--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.
It might help if I understood how a chouette was playing against ++?
Sometimes the safer play wins more gammons because it wins more games.
That's not the case here - bearing on off wins a few more gammons, but
not enough to justify giving up three percentage points of GWC.
Not a lot of equity at stake, and if you got this one wrong you're in
good company.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:though, there are some other rolls that while they play safe perhaps this turn they sure are fugly and lead to more shots after taking a checker off now. So idk what I'd do otb, it would most likely depend on who/what I'm playing.
and the fourth fur is not so obvious.
XGID=-EBcCBB-a--------A-cbcc---:3:-1:1:44:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2Loosely speaking in these situations I have:
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O | | 8 |
| | | O O O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X O X |
| | | X X X O X X |
| O | | X X X O X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 60 O: 132 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 8, O own cube
X to play 44
1) If the gammon is very unlikely, play safe (dmp)
2) If the gammon is highly likely already, play safe (dmp)
3) If the gammon is somewhere in the messy middle ground peeling is hugely favored to be correct
In this problem it's tough - given Tim's noting the large difference of the immediate shot leaving numbers (coupled with the opp's board already being strong enough that being hit is very near death). It's not only the immediate shot leaving numbers
Stick
On 9/28/2022 11:14 AM, Stick Rice wrote:
It might help if I understood how a chouette was playing against ++?Well, it's not quite a chouette since we don't each have our own cube,
but it's the facebook group Humans vs XG.
Some interesting positions crop up, the participants vote on the move
and cube decision. Neilkaz and Paul Lamford are there, so it's not just patzers.
--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:27:44 PM UTC-4, ah....Clem wrote:
On 9/28/2022 11:14 AM, Stick Rice wrote:
It might help if I understood how a chouette was playing against ++?Well, it's not quite a chouette since we don't each have our own cube,
but it's the facebook group Humans vs XG.
Some interesting positions crop up, the participants vote on the moveIt's not a chouette at all since the order of people playing doesn't make a difference either.
and cube decision. Neilkaz and Paul Lamford are there, so it's not just patzers.
--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.
Stick
On Friday, September 30, 2022 at 12:39:49 AM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 8:27:44 PM UTC-4, ah....Clem wrote:
On 9/28/2022 11:14 AM, Stick Rice wrote:
It might help if I understood how a chouette was playing against ++?Well, it's not quite a chouette since we don't each have our own cube, but it's the facebook group Humans vs XG.
Some interesting positions crop up, the participants vote on the move and cube decision. Neilkaz and Paul Lamford are there, so it's not just patzers.It's not a chouette at all since the order of people playing doesn't make a difference either.
--
Ah....Clem
The future is fun, the future is fair.
StickWell, I think we find the concept of a bunch of people (with nothing better to do) playing on the same side
and deciding on their plays by majority vote.
Seems a bit chouettish to me.
Paul
Chouettes mainly don't have consultation before the cube is turned. Chouettes everyone has their own cube. (extras!) In a chouette votes are not weighed equally. In a chouette the order of players can matter a lot in making decisions. The vastmajority of chouettes are played for money. It might look like a chouette in the sense of "backgammon with 3 or more people" but that's around where it stops.
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