• Indogtrained mutts on PR leash.

    From MK@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 3 17:57:59 2021
    In a different thread, someone asked:

    "Does anyone know an example of an important bg match where
    "Mochy both had a worse PR than his opponent, and also lost?

    The question has truths in it that he wasn't intending to know. When
    they sleep talk, people often unveil valid arguments that could even
    convince themselves. But unfortunately they can't hear or understand
    what's coming out of their own mouths.

    What if the answer to the above question ends up that they can't find
    any such examples?

    Will they accept the fact that you don't need a low PR to win?

    What if we elaborate on this subject by further asking what would
    happen if Mocky sacrificed even more PR and more often?

    BTW, I just keep using Mochy becaus the question was about him.
    I'm not trying to insult him as a person but to mock at PR through him.
    I'm sure he is just as a nice person as I am, even if he is not as good a backgammon player as I am. ;)

    I said many times in the past that some people have a natural abilities
    to do cetain things better than others. I think some people like Mocky
    have a knack for backgammon. He could play like XG or any other bot
    or any other human. He could even play like Murat. He could but can't.

    He's just one of the "indogtrained mutt" in the pack. He may be the top
    dog but he is still on the "PR leash".

    He can stretch his leash by a few inches or a few decimal points, now
    and then, by "sacrificing PR" but that's his limit. He wouldn't dare break
    his PR leash and leave the PR pack, without both of which he could no
    longer exist as Mocky (unlike a lone wolf like me can exist as myself).

    Among his ilk, it's not because of his low PR that he wins but that his
    having a low PR coincides with his winning more than others, which he
    would PR or no PR.

    What if we elaborate on this subject even more by asking the same
    original question about Mickey also?

    What if Mickey also sacrifices PR and still wins, like Mocky, perhaps
    not despite sacrificing PR but because of sacrificing PR?

    What if when playing against each other, both Mocky and Micky start
    sacrificing PR?

    Would they, then, end up in a "sacrificing PR contest"? And keep one
    upping each other, until both start to play at Murat's PR? :)

    When they arrive, Alpha-Gammon bots capable of not only "tactical"
    moves like sacrificing PR but also capable of adopting and adjusting
    their "strategies" against their opponents, nobody will be talking about meaningless, useless, stupid pretentious concepts like PR.

    Among animal species, very few humans can stay wild and free. And
    except for a few innovators suffering from random "thought mutations",
    most of them are trainable, consumers, users, imitators, followers...

    Yes, monkey see, monkey do. But if monkey can't see, monkey can't do. :(

    MK

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 4 03:52:23 2021
    On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 1:58:00 AM UTC+1, MK wrote:
    In a different thread, someone asked:

    "Does anyone know an example of an important bg match where
    "Mochy both had a worse PR than his opponent, and also lost?

    The question has truths in it that he wasn't intending to know.

    No, I (who asked it, of course) was intending to know all the truths in my question.

    Paul

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