• You know this endgame

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 18 16:23:25 2022
    This is a thin double and a huge take.
    I'm not sure how the equities compare with the standard
    position with 8 vs 8 all on the acepoint.
    Both positions are double/take. I think this position
    is better for the underdog than 8 vs 8 all on the acepoint
    and that the standard double is not usually this thin.

    But I don't know.

    Paul

    XGID=-CCA-------------------eb-:1:-1:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | | | X X | | 2 |
    | | | X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 12 O: 12 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in 4-ply
    Player Winning Chances: 73.68% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 26.32% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.474, Double=+0.947

    Cubeful Equities:
    No redouble: +0.788 (-0.010)
    Redouble/Take: +0.798
    Redouble/Pass: +1.000 (+0.202)

    Best Cube action: Redouble / Take

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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  • From ah...Clem@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 22 09:56:59 2022
    On 9/18/2022 7:23 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    This is a thin double and a huge take.
    I'm not sure how the equities compare with the standard
    position with 8 vs 8 all on the acepoint.
    Both positions are double/take. I think this position
    is better for the underdog than 8 vs 8 all on the acepoint
    and that the standard double is not usually this thin.

    But I don't know.

    Paul

    XGID=-CCA-------------------eb-:1:-1:-1:00:0:0:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | | | X X | | 2 |
    | | | X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 12 O: 12 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    Analyzed in 4-ply
    Player Winning Chances: 73.68% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 26.32% (G:0.00% B:0.00%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.474, Double=+0.947

    Cubeful Equities:
    No redouble: +0.788 (-0.010)
    Redouble/Take: +0.798
    Redouble/Pass: +1.000 (+0.202)

    Best Cube action: Redouble / Take


    It's easy to be lulled into approximating a position as an N-roll
    position when it's not. Here O is off in four rolls even if she rolls
    21 four times in a row. X misses (only bears off one) if he rolls three
    aces, but he can afford to miss once so only loses when he shakkes four
    aces in a row, ignoring doubles.

    I'm surprised that that makes such a difference, but I should have
    learned by not to not be so easily surprised by this game.

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