In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.
On 9/18/2022 11:56 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.
It took me a while to understand what you were saying.
XG rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
You rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
Then XG rolled 53, and played 13/8 24/21.
Making the 3pt is no longer automatic when doing so
breaks your 8pt. XG would have played 13/8 24/21 even
if its first roll had been 42 (played 8/4 6/4 of course).
On 9/19/2022 7:59 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
On 9/18/2022 11:56 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.
It took me a while to understand what you were saying.
XG rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
You rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
Then XG rolled 53, and played 13/8 24/21.
Making the 3pt is no longer automatic when doing soOh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
breaks your 8pt. XG would have played 13/8 24/21 even
if its first roll had been 42 (played 8/4 6/4 of course).
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
On 9/18/2022 11:56 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:...
In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.It took me a while to understand what you were saying.
On 9/19/2022 7:59 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
On 9/18/2022 11:56 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.
It took me a while to understand what you were saying.
XG rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
You rolled 31, and played 8/5 6/5.
Then XG rolled 53, and played 13/8 24/21.
Making the 3pt is no longer automatic when doing soOh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
breaks your 8pt. XG would have played 13/8 24/21 even
if its first roll had been 42 (played 8/4 6/4 of course).
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
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Tim Chow
Oh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
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Tim Chow
XG plays that according to its rollouts. If you're actually playing XG on 3 ply it does not make that play.
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 12:59:27 PM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 9/18/2022 11:56 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:...
In a money game with XG, we both started with 31.It took me a while to understand what you were saying.
But then XG surprised me quite a bit with 13/8 24/21.
I thought making the 3 point was automatic.
TIL something about opening theory.
I deliberately left out some info that would normally be left in,
feeling that that was ok since no ambiguity is created.
For players at my and XG's level, 31 can only be played one way.
And 13/8 24/21 reveals the roll, so no need to state it.
Sometimes the checker play reveals the roll and sometimes not.
On 9/19/2022 5:06 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
Oh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
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Tim Chow
XG plays that according to its rollouts. If you're actually playing XG on 3 ply it does not make that play.Just now I set up the position after an opening 8/5 6/5, gave the
opponent snake eyes to play (Jacoby/Beaver), went to "Setup" and
chose "Play from position..." and selected the default player
eXtremeGammon. It played 24/22 6/5(2).
Does that not happen for you?
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Tim Chow
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:54:28 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
On 9/19/2022 5:06 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
Just now I set up the position after an opening 8/5 6/5, gave theOh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
---
Tim Chow
XG plays that according to its rollouts. If you're actually playing XG on 3 ply it does not make that play.
opponent snake eyes to play (Jacoby/Beaver), went to "Setup" and
chose "Play from position..." and selected the default player
eXtremeGammon. It played 24/22 6/5(2).
Does that not happen for you?
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Tim Chow
Is the analysis of that move on 3 ply?
On 9/20/2022 8:35 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:54:28 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
On 9/19/2022 5:06 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
Just now I set up the position after an opening 8/5 6/5, gave theOh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
---
Tim Chow
XG plays that according to its rollouts. If you're actually playing XG on 3 ply it does not make that play.
opponent snake eyes to play (Jacoby/Beaver), went to "Setup" and
chose "Play from position..." and selected the default player
eXtremeGammon. It played 24/22 6/5(2).
Does that not happen for you?
---
Tim Chow
Is the analysis of that move on 3 ply?Yes, the default player eXtremeGammon operates on 3-ply.
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Tim Chow
On 9/20/2022 8:35 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:54:28 PM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:
On 9/19/2022 5:06 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
Just now I set up the position after an opening 8/5 6/5, gave theOh, another comment is that once your opponent has played
8/5 6/5, you have a greater incentive to split, in order
to avoid getting primed. A broken three-prime might not
look terribly threatening, but for example, it's enough to
make XG play 24/22 6/5(2) with snake eyes if you open the
game with 8/5 6/5.
---
Tim Chow
XG plays that according to its rollouts. If you're actually playing XG on 3 ply it does not make that play.
opponent snake eyes to play (Jacoby/Beaver), went to "Setup" and
chose "Play from position..." and selected the default player
eXtremeGammon. It played 24/22 6/5(2).
Does that not happen for you?
---
Tim Chow
Is the analysis of that move on 3 ply?Yes, the default player eXtremeGammon operates on 3-ply.
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Tim Chow
Are you sure? When I do the exact thing you say you're doing it plays 7(2) 5(2) (default player eXtremeGammon). For me, this is 4 ply. When I force it back down to 3 ply it still makes the same play. Maybe your version plays differently than mineor you could have the rollouts toggled on.
On 9/21/2022 11:07 PM, Stick Rice wrote:you could have the rollouts toggled on.
Are you sure? When I do the exact thing you say you're doing it plays 7(2) 5(2) (default player eXtremeGammon). For me, this is 4 ply. When I force it back down to 3 ply it still makes the same play. Maybe your version plays differently than mine or
The opening book rollouts sounds like the most plausible
explanation, but I hunted around a bit and didn't see how
to toggle them off?
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Tim Chow
On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 7:47:11 AM UTC-4, Tim Chow wrote:you could have the rollouts toggled on.
On 9/21/2022 11:07 PM, Stick Rice wrote:
Are you sure? When I do the exact thing you say you're doing it plays 7(2) 5(2) (default player eXtremeGammon). For me, this is 4 ply. When I force it back down to 3 ply it still makes the same play. Maybe your version plays differently than mine or
The opening book rollouts sounds like the most plausible
explanation, but I hunted around a bit and didn't see how
to toggle them off?
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Tim Chow
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