• An opening 55 blitz position --- bread and butter for Tim.

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 2 15:45:09 2021
    XGID=-b---BE-B---dD---aac--b-bB:0:0:-1:00:6:20:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:20 O:6. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | O | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 141 O: 158 X-O: 20-6
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Sat Oct 2 23:06:39 2021
    On 10/2/2021 6:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b---BE-B---dD---aac--b-bB:0:0:-1:00:6:20:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:20 O:6. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | O | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 141 O: 158 X-O: 20-6
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action

    Say O wins the opening roll with 52 and splits, and then X blitzes
    with a 55 and O dances. This is a clear pass. Here, X has an extra
    checker in the zone, which would make it an even clearer pass, but
    the catch is that O has made her 5pt, which is huge. I'd double for
    sure and am guessing it's a close take.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Sun Oct 3 03:05:45 2021
    On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 4:06:43 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 10/2/2021 6:45 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    XGID=-b---BE-B---dD---aac--b-bB:0:0:-1:00:6:20:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:20 O:6. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X O | | O O X |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | O | O | |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 141 O: 158 X-O: 20-6
    Cube: 1
    X on roll, cube action
    Say O wins the opening roll with 52 and splits, and then X blitzes
    with a 55 and O dances. This is a clear pass. Here, X has an extra
    checker in the zone, which would make it an even clearer pass, but
    the catch is that O has made her 5pt, which is huge. I'd double for
    sure and am guessing it's a close take.

    No, Tim. It's a big take (by your own previous definition), rather than
    a close take.
    I (wrongly) passed. I wouldn't have been surprised to have been slightly wrong, but was dismayed at the size of the blunder, and therefore having
    my play marked as "beginner".

    I also used the same reference position as you. The problem is that I haven't seen
    the actual equity and, when I try to set up positions in XG (rather than simply copying
    positions from a game), everything goes haywire, I can't set the position up, and end
    up extremely frustrated. However, I think that the pass is not more than 0.1 so we're
    only looking for a 0.1 improvement for a take, and the 5 point gives far more than that.

    I also note that your reference position (Splitting 52, 55, dance) is a big take at 2A 2A
    (and therefore holding after your opponent rolls 52 and splits is a good tactical move if your
    opponent is non-expert or might be non-expert.)

    Paul

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No double
    Player Winning Chances: 63.57% (G:39.61% B:0.47%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.43% (G:10.51% B:0.61%)
    Double/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 63.87% (G:41.41% B:0.43%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 36.13% (G:10.84% B:0.69%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.561, Double=+1.161

    Cubeful Equities:
    No double: +0.723 (-0.153)
    Double/Take: +0.876
    Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.124)

    Best Cube action: Double / Take

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.011 (+0.712..+0.734)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.017 (+0.858..+0.893)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 33 minutes 53 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 3 03:26:35 2021
    On October 3, 2021 at 4:05:47 AM UTC-6, peps...@gmail.com wrote:

    No, Tim. It's a big take (by your own previous definition), rather than
    a close take.
    I (wrongly) passed. I wouldn't have been surprised to have been slightly wrong, but was dismayed at the size of the blunder, and therefore having
    my play marked as "beginner".

    Ha ha! :) Now you are pulling our leg by cheating using a very slightly modified position from Mocky's 2019 match here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9bwdPEaoeQ

    He had also passed but probably because he was sacrificing PR in a
    tactical move, which apparently worked because he won.

    Were you too ashamed to say that you had sacrificing PR in a tactical
    move also because unlike Mocky, you lost as a result of your tactical
    move...? ;) Moron... :(

    MK

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 3 04:45:59 2021
    On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:26:36 AM UTC+1, MK wrote:
    ....

    Were you too ashamed to say that you had sacrificing PR in a tactical
    move also because unlike Mocky, you lost as a result of your tactical move...? ;)

    Yes, I was too ashamed to say that I was sacrificing PR in a tactical move because, unlike Mochy, I lost as a result of my tactical move.

    Paul

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 3 13:24:29 2021
    On October 3, 2021 at 5:46:00 AM UTC-6, peps...@gmail.com wrote:

    Yes, I was too ashamed to say that I was sacrificing PR in a tactical
    move because, unlike Mochy, I lost as a result of my tactical move.

    What a candid guy. :) But you forgot the "moron" part... ;)

    Don't feel bad Mickey Mouse. Mockey Mouse also lost some games
    as a result of his tactical moves. You knew that, right? And that's why
    you were asking for examples of such games in the other thread. Seek
    and ye shall find. I hope so. Otherwise Mocky will have proven that PR calculations are muck.

    MK

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