• Does Pottle's law apply herre?

    From ah....Clem@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 8 10:20:20 2022
    And if so, is it the right move?



    XGID=--b-BBD-B--AbC---e-db--A--:1:-1:1:32:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X | +---+
    | X O | | O O | | 2 |
    | X O | | O | +---+
    | O | | O |
    | O | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | O X | | X X X O |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 131 O: 146 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 32



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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to ah....Clem on Fri Sep 9 08:20:59 2022
    On 9/8/2022 10:20 AM, ah....Clem wrote:

    And if so, is it the right move?



    XGID=--b-BBD-B--AbC---e-db--A--:1:-1:1:32:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1   O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
     +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
     | X           O    |   | O  O        X    | +---+
     | X           O    |   | O  O             | | 2 |
     | X           O    |   | O                | +---+
     |             O    |   | O                |
     |             O    |   |                  |
     |                  |BAR|                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   | X                |
     |                  |   | X                |
     | O           X    |   | X  X  X     O    |
     | O  X        X    |   | X  X  X     O    |
     +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count  X: 131  O: 146 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 32

    X is well ahead in the race here, so running the last checker
    is strategically the right idea. If X had rolled something
    that would let him run to the 14pt/15pt/16pt, then I would
    Pottle without hesitation. Here it's not as obvious, but
    the 23pt is not a great place to sit, so I would certainly
    step up with 23/21 at least. After that, 11/8 is the main
    alternative to 21/18, but I would play 23/18 since it doesn't
    seem any more dangerous than sitting on the 21pt.

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  • From ah....Clem@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 12 10:19:26 2022
    I usually think of Pottle's law as applying when you can run the last *meaningfully* (i.e. checker past the eight point), but I don't know
    where I got that from or whether it's part of the aphorism.

    I'm also not sure whether stepping up to the edge of the prime while
    safteying an outfield blot and placing a spare on the eight point counts
    as "very constructive".

    But it seemed close enough to "very constructive" that I opted for that
    instead of running out to the bar point. XG favors that play, but only
    at the 98% confidence level after 1296 trials. So it's very close.

    In the variant, I've given X a 52 to play instead of 32 and Pottling is
    quite clear.


    XGID=--b-BBD-B--AbC---e-db--A--:1:-1:1:32:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X | +---+
    | X O | | O O | | 2 |
    | X O | | O | +---+
    | O | | O |
    | O | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | O X | | X X X O |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 131 O: 146 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 32

    1. Rollout¹ 23/21 11/8 eq:+0.304
    Player: 66.93% (G:15.52% B:0.78%)
    Opponent: 33.07% (G:7.65% B:0.21%)
    Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.296..+0.312) - [98.1%]
    Duration: 3 minutes 44 seconds

    2. Rollout¹ 23/18 eq:+0.293 (-0.012)
    Player: 67.14% (G:13.97% B:0.65%)
    Opponent: 32.86% (G:7.55% B:0.29%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.285..+0.300) - [1.9%]
    Duration: 3 minutes 48 seconds

    Opponent: 35.16% (G:7.81% B:0.19%)


    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller


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    XGID=--b-BBD-B--AbC---e-db--A--:1:-1:1:52:0:0:3:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O X | +---+
    | X O | | O O | | 2 |
    | X O | | O | +---+
    | O | | O |
    | O | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | O X | | X X X O |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 131 O: 146 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 52

    1. XG Roller++ 23/16 eq:+0.407
    Player: 71.79% (G:11.48% B:0.48%)
    Opponent: 28.21% (G:4.73% B:0.14%)

    2. XG Roller++ 23/18 13/11 eq:+0.336 (-0.071)
    Player: 68.62% (G:13.29% B:0.58%)
    Opponent: 31.38% (G:6.19% B:0.20%)

    Opponent: 32.90% (G:7.22% B:0.19%)


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