• What?? I meant a whiskey double of course!

    From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 13:02:28 2021
    In a chouette, if someone asked "Do you want a double?",
    they would probably mean a double espresso or a whiskey double
    or something like that.
    They couldn't possibly be asking about the cube because that's too
    obvious. Both holding and TG are clearly ridiculous.

    So yes, it's a double.
    But is it a take?

    Paul

    XGID=--aCCCCB----a-----bccbab-A:1:-1:-1:00:1:0:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:0 O:1. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X |
    | O | | O O O O |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | X | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 98 O: 93 X-O: 0-1
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 29 22:30:45 2021
    On 9/29/2021 4:02 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    In a chouette, if someone asked "Do you want a double?",
    they would probably mean a double espresso or a whiskey double
    or something like that.
    They couldn't possibly be asking about the cube because that's too
    obvious. Both holding and TG are clearly ridiculous.

    So yes, it's a double.
    But is it a take?

    Paul

    XGID=--aCCCCB----a-----bccbab-A:1:-1:-1:00:1:0:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:0 O:1. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X |
    | O | | O O O O |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | X | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 98 O: 93 X-O: 0-1
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action

    Seems like a take to me. X still has to cover his blot and leap
    over O's prime.

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    Tim Chow

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  • From pepstein5@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Tim Chow on Thu Sep 30 14:04:58 2021
    On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 3:30:47 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
    On 9/29/2021 4:02 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    In a chouette, if someone asked "Do you want a double?",
    they would probably mean a double espresso or a whiskey double
    or something like that.
    They couldn't possibly be asking about the cube because that's too obvious. Both holding and TG are clearly ridiculous.

    So yes, it's a double.
    But is it a take?

    Paul

    XGID=--aCCCCB----a-----bccbab-A:1:-1:-1:00:1:0:3:0:10
    X:eXtremeGammon O:Daniel

    Score is X:0 O:1. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X |
    | O | | O O O O |
    | | | O O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | O | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | X | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | X | | X X X X X | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 98 O: 93 X-O: 0-1
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X on roll, cube action
    Seems like a take to me. X still has to cover his blot and leap
    over O's prime.

    The rollout gives a close pass. However, XG's analysis (I can't tell you the ply but
    I used competitive mode) gave an ultra marginal 0.996 take.
    I took too, but, a few rolls later, I was ruing the take and felt that I'd steamed badly.
    I was relieved that the take was initially vindicated.

    I felt pretty confident that you would (correctly) drop this, and was looking forward to you getting
    one of my problems right -- you seem pretty scared of blitzy positions generally.

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No redouble
    Player Winning Chances: 76.34% (G:7.20% B:0.20%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 23.66% (G:3.98% B:0.16%)
    Redouble/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 77.48% (G:6.91% B:0.21%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 22.52% (G:4.10% B:0.15%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.559, Double=+1.157

    Cubeful Equities:
    No redouble: +0.809 (-0.191)
    Redouble/Take: +1.023 (+0.023)
    Redouble/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Redouble / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.005 (+0.804..+0.815)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.011 (+1.013..+1.034)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 9 minutes 22 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

    Analyzed in Rollout
    No redouble
    Player Winning Chances: 76.34% (G:7.20% B:0.20%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 23.66% (G:3.98% B:0.16%)
    Redouble/Take
    Player Winning Chances: 77.48% (G:6.91% B:0.21%)
    Opponent Winning Chances: 22.52% (G:4.10% B:0.15%)

    Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.559, Double=+1.157

    Cubeful Equities:
    No redouble: +0.809 (-0.191)
    Redouble/Take: +1.023 (+0.023)
    Redouble/Pass: +1.000

    Best Cube action: Redouble / Pass

    Rollout:
    1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
    Confidence No Double: ± 0.005 (+0.804..+0.815)
    Confidence Double: ± 0.011 (+1.013..+1.034)

    Double Decision confidence: 100.0%
    Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

    Duration: 9 minutes 22 seconds

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to peps...@gmail.com on Fri Oct 1 07:45:32 2021
    On 9/30/2021 5:04 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
    you seem pretty scared of blitzy positions generally.

    This is a priming position.

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    Tim Chow

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