XGID=----BBBA---A-A----dfBbcBB-:0:0:1:31:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O O |
| O | | O |
| | | 6 |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X X |
| X X | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 195 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 31
XGID=----BBBA---A-A----dfBbcBB-:0:0:1:31:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O O |
| O | | O |
| | | 6 |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X X |
| X X | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 195 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 31
On 8/17/2022 10:38 AM, ah....Clem wrote:Oh yes, that's clever!
XGID=----BBBA---A-A----dfBbcBB-:0:0:1:31:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2I think I'd give O 5's and 6's with 24/20. Even if it doesn't
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O O |
| O | | O |
| | | 6 |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X X |
| X X | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 195 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 31
go well at first and I get pointed on, her 4 checkers on her
bar point mean that her 6's are going to have to be played 7/1,
which gives me chances of getting and hitting another shot
later on.
---
Tim Chow
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:40:36 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/17/2022 10:38 AM, ah....Clem wrote:
XGID=----BBBA---A-A----dfBbcBB-:0:0:1:31:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2I think I'd give O 5's and 6's with 24/20. Even if it doesn't
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O O |
| O | | O |
| | | 6 |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X X |
| X X | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 195 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 31
go well at first and I get pointed on, her 4 checkers on her
bar point mean that her 6's are going to have to be played 7/1,
which gives me chances of getting and hitting another shot
later on.
---Oh yes, that's clever!
Tim Chow
I missed that tactic.
And this is indeed an important point, with a lot of equity at stake.
I think that if we (almost certainly wrongly) maintain our opponent's inner board points
(as I assumed was "obvious"), then there isn't much equity involved in how we play the other checkers.
Paul
It's a good thing you missed it. You don't abandon the back anchor in a well timed backgame to maybe get a shot that you aren't likely to hit and even if you do aren't ready to contain.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 4:17:28 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:still want to use them due to timing to make the 3pt.
On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 2:40:36 AM UTC+1, Tim Chow wrote:
On 8/17/2022 10:38 AM, ah....Clem wrote:
XGID=----BBBA---A-A----dfBbcBB-:0:0:1:31:0:0:3:0:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2I think I'd give O 5's and 6's with 24/20. Even if it doesn't
Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O X O O X X |
| O | | O O |
| O | | O |
| | | 6 |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | X X X |
| X X | | X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 195 O: 81 X-O: 0-0
Cube: 1
X to play 31
go well at first and I get pointed on, her 4 checkers on her
bar point mean that her 6's are going to have to be played 7/1,
which gives me chances of getting and hitting another shot
later on.
---Oh yes, that's clever!
Tim Chow
I missed that tactic.
And this is indeed an important point, with a lot of equity at stake.
I think that if we (almost certainly wrongly) maintain our opponent's inner board points
(as I assumed was "obvious"), then there isn't much equity involved in how we play the other checkers.
PaulIt's a good thing you missed it. You don't abandon the back anchor in a well timed backgame to maybe get a shot that you aren't likely to hit and even if you do aren't ready to contain.
The obvious play should be 7/3, not 11/7. I'd take 12, 8 as an acceptable play too. We aren't likely to get + hit a shot for at least several turns so we stick our checkers where they're supposed to go. Making the bar point now wraps up pips when we
Stick
Normally, I would assume that the equity differences between 7/3, 11/7 and 12,8 are small.
11/7 is only a .010 error and the curious 13/9 is second at .006.
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