• Hit?

    From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 25 19:50:52 2021
    XGID=--A--BDaCBa-bBa--b-cb-b-aA:0:0:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O |
    | X O | | O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X |
    | O O X X O | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 129 O: 121 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 32

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 22:25:42 2021
    XGID=--A--BDaCBa-bBa--b-cb-b-aA:0:0:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O |
    | X O | | O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X |
    | O O X X O | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 129 O: 121 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 32

    Hitting seemed way too loose to me, but a blot in the opponent's board
    covers over a multitude of sins.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/23 13/10* eq:-0.273
    Player: 43.41% (G:17.61% B:1.39%)
    Opponent: 56.59% (G:26.01% B:2.26%)
    Confidence: ±0.012 (-0.285..-0.261) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 8/5 eq:-0.442 (-0.169)
    Player: 38.02% (G:10.08% B:0.52%)
    Opponent: 61.98% (G:14.70% B:0.41%)
    Confidence: ±0.011 (-0.453..-0.431) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    XGID=--A--BDaCBa-bBa--b-cc-b--A:0:0:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O |
    | X O | | O O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | X | | X |
    | O X X | | X X |
    | O O X X O | | X X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 129 O: 125 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 32

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/23 8/5 eq:-0.564
    Player: 34.74% (G:8.91% B:0.46%)
    Opponent: 65.26% (G:14.96% B:0.55%)
    Confidence: ±0.008 (-0.572..-0.556) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 6/3 eq:-0.589 (-0.025)
    Player: 34.38% (G:8.10% B:0.34%)
    Opponent: 65.62% (G:16.02% B:0.53%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (-0.596..-0.581) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ Bar/23 13/10* eq:-0.590 (-0.026)
    Player: 36.49% (G:13.09% B:0.78%)
    Opponent: 63.51% (G:28.50% B:2.66%)
    Confidence: ±0.013 (-0.603..-0.578) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 2592 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From MK@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 18 00:51:21 2021
    Yes, definitely

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 19 09:06:16 2022
    XGID=-a--BaEAB--AbA----bc-BbbbA:1:1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O O |
    | O | | O X O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | O X | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 152 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 41

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 21 08:58:54 2022
    XGID=-a--BaEAB--AbA----bc-BbbbA:1:1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O O |
    | O | | O X O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | O X | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 152 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 41

    I found a nice variant for this one; see below. I hit, but XG plays
    safe. It seems that XG prefers to live with just two blots if that
    is possible, but if X is going to leave three blots anyway (with 1s,
    2s, and 6s to hit) then XG goes for the tempo hit.

    Or as some analysts might say, in the variant, don't worry about
    estimating gammons and just make the DMP play #simplegame; but in
    this position, hitting obviously loses too many gammons.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/21 7/6 eq:-0.555
    Player: 29.74% (G:6.48% B:0.27%)
    Opponent: 70.26% (G:32.87% B:0.56%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (-0.563..-0.546) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/21 6/5* eq:-0.631 (-0.076)
    Player: 33.27% (G:8.67% B:0.41%)
    Opponent: 66.73% (G:48.83% B:4.69%)
    Confidence: ±0.012 (-0.642..-0.619) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    XGID=-a--BaEAB--AbA----bc-BbbbA:1:1:1:51:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O O |
    | O | | O X O O O |
    | | | O |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | O X | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 152 O: 114 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 51

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/20 6/5* eq:-0.615
    Player: 34.74% (G:9.49% B:0.52%)
    Opponent: 65.26% (G:48.74% B:6.87%)
    Confidence: ±0.011 (-0.626..-0.603) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/20 7/6 eq:-0.690 (-0.075)
    Player: 27.85% (G:6.50% B:0.31%)
    Opponent: 72.15% (G:41.14% B:1.20%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (-0.699..-0.681) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 25 09:35:49 2022
    XGID=-aDBBD------------bbdbbBbA:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O X O |
    | O | | O O O O X O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | | | X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 113 O: 86 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 09:48:16 2022
    XGID=-aDBBD------------bbdbbBbA:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O | | O O O O X O |
    | O | | O O O O X O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | | | X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 113 O: 86 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

    Volunteering a direct shot when your opponent has a five-point board
    might seem insane to some, but X's situation is pretty desperate, so
    he is willing to take some risks. But there are two problems with
    hitting here. The first is that it loses a lot of extra gammons if
    X gets another checker sent back. The second is that even if O does
    not hit back (or even dances), X will probably have trouble getting
    over O's five-prime. While X's priming chances aren't great, they're
    not negligible; many of O's rolls weaken her prime and increase X's
    chances significantly.

    See also the variant below.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/23 5/4 eq:-0.776
    Player: 15.29% (G:0.49% B:0.01%)
    Opponent: 84.71% (G:14.43% B:0.35%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (-0.780..-0.772) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 2/1* eq:-0.860 (-0.084)
    Player: 15.74% (G:0.64% B:0.01%)
    Opponent: 84.26% (G:23.46% B:0.79%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (-0.865..-0.854) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    XGID=-aDBBD-------------ddbbBbA:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | | | O O O O X O |
    | | | O O O O X O |
    | | | O O |
    | | | O O |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | | | X X | +---+
    | | | X X X X | | 2 |
    | | | X X X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 113 O: 84 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/23 5/4 eq:-0.754
    Player: 16.47% (G:0.49% B:0.01%)
    Opponent: 83.53% (G:15.09% B:0.39%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (-0.759..-0.750) - [99.9%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 2/1* eq:-0.765 (-0.011)
    Player: 19.64% (G:0.48% B:0.01%)
    Opponent: 80.36% (G:23.68% B:0.86%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (-0.771..-0.760) - [0.1%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 08:58:43 2022
    XGID=-a-a--E-D-AAeB---b-bb-b-AA:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 158 O: 155 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 16 11:31:04 2022
    XGID=-a-a--E-D-AAeB---b-bb-b-AA:0:0:1:54:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O X |
    | X O | | O O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | O | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X | | X |
    | O X X X | | X O O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 158 O: 155 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 54

    X is outboarded and lacks structure. I believe it was Joe Sylvester who
    said, "When defending, make defensive moves." Here, XG says that
    anything other than the ugly-looking play 11/6 is a whopper or worse.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/21 11/6 eq:-0.586
    Player: 35.69% (G:8.92% B:0.39%)
    Opponent: 64.31% (G:22.05% B:1.33%)
    Confidence: ±0.018 (-0.604..-0.568) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/16 eq:-0.703 (-0.117)
    Player: 35.45% (G:8.32% B:0.39%)
    Opponent: 64.55% (G:26.52% B:1.96%)
    Confidence: ±0.018 (-0.720..-0.685) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ Bar/21 6/1* eq:-0.711 (-0.126)
    Player: 35.12% (G:8.62% B:0.34%)
    Opponent: 64.88% (G:25.70% B:2.59%)
    Confidence: ±0.022 (-0.733..-0.690) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ Bar/21 8/3* eq:-0.740 (-0.154)
    Player: 35.26% (G:9.03% B:0.46%)
    Opponent: 64.74% (G:27.08% B:3.32%)
    Confidence: ±0.021 (-0.761..-0.719) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 27 08:52:34 2022
    XGID=---aB-EbB---aD----abcbbAaA:1:1:1:52:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X O |
    | X | | O O O O |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | X O | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X O | | X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 154 O: 120 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 52

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 29 08:16:09 2022
    XGID=---aB-EbB---aD----abcbbAaA:1:1:1:52:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X O |
    | X | | O O O O |
    | X | | O |
    | X | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | X O | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X O | | X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 154 O: 120 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 52

    I found a good variant for this one.

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/18* eq:-0.079
    Player: 44.44% (G:12.44% B:0.69%)
    Opponent: 55.56% (G:27.12% B:0.63%)
    Confidence: ±0.011 (-0.090..-0.067) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 13/8 eq:-0.253 (-0.174)
    Player: 35.79% (G:7.59% B:0.29%)
    Opponent: 64.21% (G:17.34% B:0.60%)
    Confidence: ±0.008 (-0.261..-0.245) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    XGID=---aB-EbB---aD----accbbA-A:1:1:1:52:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O X |
    | X | | O O O O |
    | X | | O O |
    | X | | |
    | | X | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | X |
    | | | X |
    | | | X | +---+
    | X O | | X X | | 2 |
    | O X O | | X X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 154 O: 125 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 52

    1. Rollout¹ Bar/18* eq:-0.312
    Player: 38.28% (G:10.35% B:0.53%)
    Opponent: 61.72% (G:32.90% B:0.95%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (-0.322..-0.302) - [81.6%]

    2. Rollout¹ Bar/23 13/8 eq:-0.318 (-0.006)
    Player: 33.28% (G:6.41% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 66.72% (G:16.59% B:0.64%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (-0.327..-0.309) - [18.4%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 14 16:23:55 2022
    XGID=-B--BcD-BaABd----cBb--b---:0:0:1:42:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O X | | O O |
    | O X | | O O |
    | O | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X O |
    | O X X | | X O X X |
    | O X X O X | | X O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 118 O: 170 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 42

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 16 10:11:06 2022
    XGID=-B--BcD-BaABd----cBb--b---:0:0:1:42:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O X | | O O |
    | O X | | O O |
    | O | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | O | | X |
    | O | | X O |
    | O X X | | X O X X |
    | O X X O X | | X O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 118 O: 170 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 42

    X is way ahead in the race. If he hits, he leaves a lot of blots lying
    around which will give O a chance to hit back and catch up in the race.
    By this logic, X should just play safe with something like 10/4, right?

    The trouble is that 10/4 leaves X totally stripped in the outfield, and
    likely to leave blots under less favorable conditions next turn, or the
    turn after that. By hitting now when O's position is still weak, he
    gains some time to clear his outside points in relative safety.

    In the variant, I have given O a much stronger forward position.

    1. Rollout¹ 11/7 11/9* eq:+0.544
    Player: 60.21% (G:26.27% B:0.37%)
    Opponent: 39.79% (G:8.55% B:0.38%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.534..+0.554) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 11/9* 10/6 eq:+0.473 (-0.071)
    Player: 59.38% (G:24.74% B:0.34%)
    Opponent: 40.62% (G:8.53% B:0.34%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (+0.464..+0.482) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout² 10/4 eq:+0.355 (-0.189)
    Player: 58.85% (G:17.09% B:0.27%)
    Opponent: 41.15% (G:7.83% B:0.31%)
    Confidence: ±0.013 (+0.341..+0.368) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout² 10/8 6/2 eq:+0.315 (-0.229)
    Player: 58.16% (G:16.80% B:0.24%)
    Opponent: 41.84% (G:8.25% B:0.29%)
    Confidence: ±0.014 (+0.301..+0.329) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    ² 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

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    XGID=-B--BcD-BaABc---bbBbb-----:0:0:1:42:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | O O X | | O O |
    | O O X | | O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | O | | X O |
    | O X X | | X O X X |
    | O X X O X | | X O X X |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 118 O: 171 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 42

    1. Rollout¹ 10/4 eq:+0.073
    Player: 52.30% (G:14.24% B:0.18%)
    Opponent: 47.70% (G:9.88% B:0.38%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.066..+0.080) - [72.1%]

    2. Rollout¹ 11/9* 10/6 eq:+0.070 (-0.003)
    Player: 50.77% (G:20.46% B:0.24%)
    Opponent: 49.23% (G:11.07% B:0.44%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (+0.060..+0.079) - [27.9%]

    3. Rollout¹ 10/8 6/2 eq:+0.056 (-0.017)
    Player: 52.03% (G:14.01% B:0.17%)
    Opponent: 47.97% (G:10.14% B:0.39%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.049..+0.064) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 11/7 11/9* eq:+0.052 (-0.021)
    Player: 50.62% (G:20.67% B:0.23%)
    Opponent: 49.38% (G:11.61% B:0.47%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.042..+0.062) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 5184 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 08:41:08 2022
    XGID=--a-BBCBB---cB----beB-bb--:1:-1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O | +---+
    | X O | | O X O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 132 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 41

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  • From atilamalcok@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 01:34:29 2022
    2 Haziran 2022 Perşembe tarihinde saat 15:41:11 UTC+3 itibarıyla Tim Chow şunları yazdı:
    XGID=--a-BBCBB---cB----beB-bb--:1:-1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O | +---+
    | X O | | O X O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 132 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 41

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    Tim Chow
    X has a solid phantom six-prime. And these kinds of positions that need 6-1 are mostly D/P in my experience. Hitting is definitely not even an alternative.

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  • From atilamalcok@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 3 06:01:08 2022
    3 Haziran 2022 Cuma tarihinde saat 15:47:05 UTC+3 itibarıyla Tim Chow şunları yazdı:
    On 6/3/2022 4:34 AM, atila...@gmail.com wrote:
    X has a solid phantom six-prime. And these kinds of positions that need 6-1 are mostly D/P in my experience. Hitting is definitely not even an alternative.
    What's your play?

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    Tim Chow
    at first glance my play would be 13/8

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to atila...@gmail.com on Fri Jun 3 08:47:00 2022
    On 6/3/2022 4:34 AM, atila...@gmail.com wrote:
    X has a solid phantom six-prime. And these kinds of positions that need 6-1 are mostly D/P in my experience. Hitting is definitely not even an alternative.

    What's your play?

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 4 11:26:12 2022
    XGID=--a-BBCBB---cB----beB-bb--:1:-1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O | +---+
    | X O | | O X O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | O | | X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    | O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 132 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 41

    The subject line was sort of a trick question. Of course you don't hit
    here. I posed the question that way so that the reader might not think
    too hard about the choice between 13/9 6/5 and 13/8. The purpose of
    13/9 6/5 is clear enough...if X can make a six-prime then he almost
    clinches the game. The question is whether it's too risky to give O a
    chance to turn the game around by hitting both blots. According to XG,
    the risk is worth it. Even if O hits immediately with an ace, she still
    has to escape her straggler with an ace followed by a 6 (unless she can
    get X to break his five-prime with an awkward roll, which is not too
    likely). See also the variant, where XG still favors leaving two blots
    even when O has a double shot at the midpoint blot.

    1. Rollout¹ 13/9 6/5 eq:+0.593
    Player: 78.02% (G:15.73% B:0.56%)
    Opponent: 21.98% (G:4.97% B:0.15%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.586..+0.600) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/8 eq:+0.528 (-0.065)
    Player: 75.30% (G:15.46% B:0.57%)
    Opponent: 24.70% (G:4.99% B:0.11%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.522..+0.534) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    -------

    XGID=--a-BBCBB--abB----beB-bb--:1:-1:1:41:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O X O O | +---+
    | X O | | O X O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X |
    | O X X | | X X X |
    | O O X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 132 O: 117 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 41

    1. Rollout¹ 13/9 6/5 eq:+0.513
    Player: 74.88% (G:15.80% B:0.59%)
    Opponent: 25.12% (G:6.09% B:0.16%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.503..+0.524) - [99.7%]

    2. Rollout¹ 13/8 eq:+0.496 (-0.018)
    Player: 73.65% (G:16.67% B:0.66%)
    Opponent: 26.35% (G:5.70% B:0.10%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.489..+0.503) - [0.3%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 19 09:47:20 2022
    XGID=-aAB-CC-A-B--A---abe-bbbB-:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O X |
    | O | | O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | X | | X X X |
    | X X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 130 O: 94 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 43

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 22 08:54:36 2022
    XGID=-aAB-CC-A-B--A---abe-bbbB-:0:0:1:43:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O O X |
    | O | | O O O O X |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | | | O |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | X | | X X X |
    | X X | | X X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 130 O: 94 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 1
    X to play 43

    Hitting is the DMP play, but loses too many gammons according to the
    rollout below. Modify the position by cleaning up any of X's three
    blots, and XG hits.

    1. Rollout¹ 8/4 5/2 eq:-0.400
    Player: 39.84% (G:4.79% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 60.16% (G:17.91% B:1.75%)
    Confidence: ±0.016 (-0.416..-0.384) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 24/17* eq:-0.521 (-0.121)
    Player: 43.44% (G:12.43% B:0.66%)
    Opponent: 56.56% (G:36.60% B:6.56%)
    Confidence: ±0.021 (-0.542..-0.499) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 13/9 5/2 eq:-0.527 (-0.128)
    Player: 36.26% (G:4.19% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 63.74% (G:15.56% B:1.33%)
    Confidence: ±0.015 (-0.542..-0.513) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 8/5 6/2 eq:-0.562 (-0.162)
    Player: 35.12% (G:4.43% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 64.88% (G:14.89% B:1.08%)
    Confidence: ±0.018 (-0.580..-0.544) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 9 09:08:31 2022
    XGID=--a-CBCBBB--b-A----cbbbc--:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 102 O: 97 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62

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  • From ah...Clem@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Tue Aug 9 11:00:45 2022
    On 8/9/2022 9:08 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=--a-CBCBBB--b-A----cbbbc--:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1   O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game  +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
     |    X             |   | O  O  O  O  O    | +---+  |                  |   | O  O  O  O  O    | | 2 |  |                  |   | O           O    | +---+
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |BAR|                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   | X     X          |  | O        X  X  X |   | X  X  X          |
     | O        X  X  X |   | X  X  X     O    |  +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count  X: 102  O: 97 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62


    Does hitting win more gammons? Probably, but not very many.

    Does it win more games? One weakness I have is being too worried about
    getting hit and trapped on the ace point, and this may be one of those positions.

    What tips it for me is that 14/6 or 14/8 6/4 leave the prime stripped
    and stacked, making it more likely that X will be forced to leave a shot
    while O escapes with tempo.

    The first hitting play that came to mind was 8/2* 4/2, but I think
    holding the prime is more important than covering the deuce point. For
    X to really be in trouble O needs to hit and then X needs to enter with
    an ace (about a 1/9 proposition) and even then it's not over.

    14/8 4/2*

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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to ah...Clem on Tue Aug 9 15:22:51 2022
    On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:00:48 AM UTC-4, ah...Clem wrote:
    On 8/9/2022 9:08 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=--a-CBCBBB--b-A----cbbbc--:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 102 O: 97 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62
    Does hitting win more gammons? Probably, but not very many.

    Does it win more games? One weakness I have is being too worried about getting hit and trapped on the ace point, and this may be one of those positions.

    What tips it for me is that 14/6 or 14/8 6/4 leave the prime stripped
    and stacked, making it more likely that X will be forced to leave a shot while O escapes with tempo.

    The first hitting play that came to mind was 8/2* 4/2, but I think
    holding the prime is more important than covering the deuce point. For
    X to really be in trouble O needs to hit and then X needs to enter with
    an ace (about a 1/9 proposition) and even then it's not over.

    14/8 4/2*

    I suspect if you give the opponent (a lot) more timing it will be correct to play the quiet 14/6. As is, it would take quite the sequence to be hit and the opponent win the counter priming option. (you need to enter quickly is the first big hurdle)

    Stick

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 11 09:15:31 2022
    XGID=--a-CBCBBB--b-A----cbbbc--:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 102 O: 97 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62

    This one is a difficult judgment call IMO. Playing safe with 14/6
    creates a somewhat inflexible position that may force X to leave a
    blot later in more unfavorable circumstances, but 14/8 4/2* risks
    getting a checker sent back and losing the priming battle. The
    rollout below favors hitting, but as Stick remarked, if you improve
    O's priming chances then XG favors the safe play (see variant).

    1. Rollout¹ 14/8 4/2* eq:+0.747
    Player: 86.07% (G:8.46% B:0.25%)
    Opponent: 13.93% (G:1.95% B:0.07%)
    Confidence: ±0.006 (+0.741..+0.753) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 14/6 eq:+0.692 (-0.055)
    Player: 84.85% (G:5.72% B:0.14%)
    Opponent: 15.15% (G:1.97% B:0.06%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.686..+0.699) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 14/8 9/7 eq:+0.652 (-0.095)
    Player: 82.86% (G:5.09% B:0.12%)
    Opponent: 17.14% (G:1.63% B:0.02%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.648..+0.656) - [0.0%]

    4. Rollout¹ 14/8 6/4 eq:+0.623 (-0.124)
    Player: 82.19% (G:5.25% B:0.15%)
    Opponent: 17.81% (G:2.38% B:0.07%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.616..+0.629) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=--a-CBCBBB--b-A---acbbbb--:1:-1:1:62:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O | | O O O O O | +---+
    | | | O O O O O | | 2 |
    | | | O | +---+
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X |
    | O X X X | | X X X O |
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 102 O: 102 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, O own cube
    X to play 62

    1. Rollout¹ 14/6 eq:+0.682
    Player: 84.47% (G:4.72% B:0.11%)
    Opponent: 15.53% (G:1.48% B:0.04%)
    Confidence: ±0.005 (+0.677..+0.687) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 14/8 4/2* eq:+0.653 (-0.029)
    Player: 82.17% (G:8.19% B:0.25%)
    Opponent: 17.83% (G:2.44% B:0.09%)
    Confidence: ±0.007 (+0.645..+0.660) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 14/8 9/7 eq:+0.652 (-0.030)
    Player: 82.85% (G:5.02% B:0.11%)
    Opponent: 17.15% (G:1.76% B:0.03%)
    Confidence: ±0.004 (+0.647..+0.656) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Tim Chow

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 15 09:22:44 2022
    XGID=---bBaC-DB---B--a-abbbBbb-:1:1:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X O O |
    | X | | O O O X O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | X | | |
    | X | | X | +---+
    | X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 146 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 32

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  • From ah....Clem@21:1/5 to Timothy Chow on Thu Sep 15 13:01:30 2022
    On 9/15/2022 9:22 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=---bBaC-DB---B--a-abbbBbb-:1:1:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1   O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
     +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
     | X        O     O |   | O  O  O  X  O  O |
     | X                |   | O  O  O  X  O  O |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |                  |BAR|                  |
     |                  |   |                  |
     |             X    |   |                  |
     |             X    |   | X                | +---+
     |          X  X    |   | X     X  O       | | 2 |
     |          X  X    |   | X  O  X  O       | +---+
     +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count  X: 146  O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 32


    Three point vs three point anchor game. I don't see a lot of those.

    Seems like timing is the main issue here, X has it, O does not. In a
    roll or three X will be able to leap out and own the outfield while O
    either exposes a direct shot or crunches her board. So, the hit seems premature.

    But with the strong board, I don't want to volunteer a shot. I guess
    that leaves 6/1, which looks ugly, but seem like the best alternative.


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  • From Stick Rice@21:1/5 to ah....Clem on Thu Sep 15 13:05:23 2022
    On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:01:31 PM UTC-4, ah....Clem wrote:
    On 9/15/2022 9:22 AM, Timothy Chow wrote:
    XGID=---bBaC-DB---B--a-abbbBbb-:1:1:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X O O |
    | X | | O O O X O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | X | | |
    | X | | X | +---+
    | X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 146 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 32
    Three point vs three point anchor game. I don't see a lot of those.

    Seems like timing is the main issue here, X has it, O does not. In a
    roll or three X will be able to leap out and own the outfield while O
    either exposes a direct shot or crunches her board. So, the hit seems premature.

    But with the strong board, I don't want to volunteer a shot. I guess
    that leaves 6/1, which looks ugly, but seem like the best alternative.


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    The future is fun, the future is fair.

    Which play do you make at dmp? Is it super clear that that play is correct at dmp?

    Stick

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 17 08:45:51 2022
    XGID=---bBaC-DB---B--a-abbbBbb-:1:1:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X O O |
    | X | | O O O X O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | X | | |
    | X | | X | +---+
    | X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 146 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 32

    I didn't consider, or roll out, 6/1, which XGR+ says is a double
    whopper. The alternative to hitting that I considered was 13/8,
    which gives O six hitting rolls, and further stacks up on the
    heavy 8pt. By contrast, in the variant below, 14/9 leaves only
    four hitting rolls, and puts a spare on the 9pt.

    1. Rollout¹ 8/6 8/5* eq:+0.368
    Player: 57.06% (G:15.47% B:0.72%)
    Opponent: 42.94% (G:18.10% B:0.37%)
    Confidence: ±0.011 (+0.358..+0.379) - [83.4%]

    2. Rollout¹ 8/5* 6/4 eq:+0.361 (-0.007)
    Player: 56.95% (G:15.06% B:0.69%)
    Opponent: 43.05% (G:18.24% B:0.40%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.352..+0.371) - [16.6%]

    3. Rollout¹ 13/8 eq:+0.227 (-0.141)
    Player: 52.31% (G:11.33% B:0.51%)
    Opponent: 47.69% (G:14.25% B:0.25%)
    Confidence: ±0.009 (+0.218..+0.237) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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    Variant
    -------

    XGID=---bBaC-DB----B-a-abbbBbb-:1:1:1:32:0:0:0:0:10

    X:Player 1 O:Player 2
    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X O O | | O O O X O O |
    | X | | O O O X O O |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | X | | |
    | X | | X | +---+
    | X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | X X | | X O X O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 148 O: 116 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 32

    1. Rollout¹ 14/9 eq:+0.377
    Player: 56.70% (G:12.92% B:0.64%)
    Opponent: 43.30% (G:12.50% B:0.27%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.367..+0.387) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 8/6 8/5* eq:+0.308 (-0.069)
    Player: 54.91% (G:14.73% B:0.71%)
    Opponent: 45.09% (G:18.99% B:0.38%)
    Confidence: ±0.014 (+0.294..+0.322) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.207.pre-release

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 22:32:07 2024
    XGID=--a-cCB-CB-b-C---Babb-bb--:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O O O |
    | X X | | O O O O |
    | X | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X O | +---+
    | O X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | O X X | | X X O O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 142 O: 153 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

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  • From Timothy Chow@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 08:58:52 2024
    XGID=--a-cCB-CB-b-C---Babb-bb--:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O O O |
    | X X | | O O O O |
    | X | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X O | +---+
    | O X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | O X X | | X X O O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 142 O: 153 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

    If X is going to leave a shot, then making the bar point is going to
    be better than hitting. The question is whether X should leave a shot
    at all. Although 8/5 is a bit ugly, I'm still a little surprised that
    XG volunteers a shot here. See the variant for comparison, where I have strengthened O's board and moved O's straggler back a pip.

    1. Rollout¹ 9/7 8/7 eq:+0.667
    Player: 66.07% (G:14.68% B:0.60%)
    Opponent: 33.93% (G:10.67% B:0.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.013 (+0.654..+0.680) - [100.0%]

    2. Rollout¹ 5/2* eq:+0.585 (-0.082)
    Player: 63.75% (G:14.47% B:0.60%)
    Opponent: 36.25% (G:10.91% B:0.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.013 (+0.571..+0.598) - [0.0%]

    3. Rollout¹ 8/5 eq:+0.579 (-0.088)
    Player: 63.50% (G:13.41% B:0.51%)
    Opponent: 36.50% (G:9.82% B:0.28%)
    Confidence: ±0.012 (+0.567..+0.591) - [0.0%]

    ¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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    XGID=-a--cCB-CB-b-C---Babbbb---:1:1:1:21:0:0:0:0:10

    Score is X:0 O:0. Unlimited Game
    +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
    | X X O | | O O O O |
    | X X | | O O O O |
    | X | | |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | |BAR| |
    | | | |
    | | | |
    | X | | X O | +---+
    | O X X | | X X O | | 2 |
    | O X X | | X X O O | +---+
    +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
    Pip count X: 142 O: 158 X-O: 0-0
    Cube: 2, X own cube
    X to play 21

    1. Rollout¹ 8/5 eq:+0.520
    Player: 61.55% (G:13.17% B:0.50%)
    Opponent: 38.45% (G:10.64% B:0.33%)
    Confidence: ±0.008 (+0.512..+0.528) - [58.3%]

    2. Rollout¹ 9/7 8/7 eq:+0.518 (-0.001)
    Player: 62.42% (G:12.10% B:0.49%)
    Opponent: 37.58% (G:11.57% B:0.42%)
    Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.509..+0.528) - [41.7%]

    ¹ 2592 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
    Dice Seed: 271828
    Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller

    eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.19.211.pre-release

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