XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
On 7/23/2022 6:55 AM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+I would make the 1pt. It gives O an immediate 64 or 43 to hit,
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
but it should reduce future shot jeopardy.
---
Tim Chow
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:The right play becomes clear to me when I think about all the similar positions I've lost equity by over-blotting.
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+Making the 9pt is clearly the dmp play. Should be asking yourself during the tough decisions if one play is the clear dmp play. If one is and you're unsure which play is correct it's simple to make the dmp play and be right all day long.
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
Rollout says making the 9pt is correct by ~.055.
Stick
I'd like to ask Tim (and in fact this sentence is intended to represent that question) whether he would have known to
make the 9 point at DMP.
If not, it kind of blows a hole in your argument.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:14:28 PM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+Making the 9pt is clearly the dmp play. Should be asking yourself during the tough decisions if one play is the clear dmp play. If one is and you're unsure which play is correct it's simple to make the dmp play and be right all day long.
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
Rollout says making the 9pt is correct by ~.055.
StickThe right play becomes clear to me when I think about all the similar positions I've lost equity by over-blotting.
That's my route to correctness.
I'd like to ask Tim (and in fact this sentence is intended to represent that question) whether he would have known to
make the 9 point at DMP.
If not, it kind of blows a hole in your argument.
Paul
I said if _you_ know the dmp play is clear, make that play. What does it matter what Tim knows unless he's your doubles partner? Tim isn't a fan of using this advice, he either can't implement it for whatever reason or he simply hates something thatmultiple best players in the world use.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:multiple best players in the world use.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:14:28 PM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+Making the 9pt is clearly the dmp play. Should be asking yourself during the tough decisions if one play is the clear dmp play. If one is and you're unsure which play is correct it's simple to make the dmp play and be right all day long.
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
Rollout says making the 9pt is correct by ~.055.
StickThe right play becomes clear to me when I think about all the similar positions I've lost equity by over-blotting.
That's my route to correctness.
I'd like to ask Tim (and in fact this sentence is intended to represent that question) whether he would have known to
make the 9 point at DMP.
If not, it kind of blows a hole in your argument.
PaulI said if _you_ know the dmp play is clear, make that play. What does it matter what Tim knows unless he's your doubles partner? Tim isn't a fan of using this advice, he either can't implement it for whatever reason or he simply hates something that
Stick
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:16:07 AM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:multiple best players in the world use.
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:14:28 PM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+Making the 9pt is clearly the dmp play. Should be asking yourself during the tough decisions if one play is the clear dmp play. If one is and you're unsure which play is correct it's simple to make the dmp play and be right all day long.
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
Rollout says making the 9pt is correct by ~.055.
StickThe right play becomes clear to me when I think about all the similar positions I've lost equity by over-blotting.
That's my route to correctness.
I'd like to ask Tim (and in fact this sentence is intended to represent that question) whether he would have known to
make the 9 point at DMP.
If not, it kind of blows a hole in your argument.
PaulI said if _you_ know the dmp play is clear, make that play. What does it matter what Tim knows unless he's your doubles partner? Tim isn't a fan of using this advice, he either can't implement it for whatever reason or he simply hates something that
StickIt matters (to me) what Tim knows because he's a strong (PR 4.5) player who misplayed the position.
So I'm trying to see what went wrong for him.
For example, he could have been wrongly failing to apply your DMP rule in a situation where your DMP rule is better than a baguette with mature red Leicester cheese and sliced tomato.
Or he might not realise that making the 9 point is best at DMP.
Perhaps "If you know the DMP play is clear, make that play." But, if hardly anyone knows the DMP play, the advice has limited utility.
If you know next week's winning lottery numbers, you should play them.
Paul
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 4:46:47 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:that multiple best players in the world use.
On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 2:16:07 AM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 6:10:26 PM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 7:14:28 PM UTC+1, Stick Rice wrote:
On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:55:41 AM UTC-4, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't feel like rolling this one out.
I'm just trusting the bot this time.
There are only two real candidates.
Do we make the acepoint or the ninepoint?
For me, it was a complete toss-up but fortunately
I won the toss.
What would you play?
Paul
XGID=a-DB-CDb--A--A----acbbbb--:1:-1:1:41:0:16:3:0:10
X:Daniel O:eXtremeGammon
Score is X:0 O:16. Unlimited Game, Jacoby Beaver +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+Making the 9pt is clearly the dmp play. Should be asking yourself during the tough decisions if one play is the clear dmp play. If one is and you're unsure which play is correct it's simple to make the dmp play and be right all day long.
| X O | | O O O O O | +---+
| | | O O O O O | | 2 |
| | | O | +---+
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | O | |
| | | X X |
| | | X X X |
| O | | X X X X |
| X O | | X X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 76 O: 114 X-O: 0-16
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 41
Rollout says making the 9pt is correct by ~.055.
StickThe right play becomes clear to me when I think about all the similar positions I've lost equity by over-blotting.
That's my route to correctness.
I'd like to ask Tim (and in fact this sentence is intended to represent that question) whether he would have known to
make the 9 point at DMP.
If not, it kind of blows a hole in your argument.
PaulI said if _you_ know the dmp play is clear, make that play. What does it matter what Tim knows unless he's your doubles partner? Tim isn't a fan of using this advice, he either can't implement it for whatever reason or he simply hates something
I solved it without thinking in DMP terms -- by looking to my general experience of being battered by leaving unnecessary blots.StickIt matters (to me) what Tim knows because he's a strong (PR 4.5) player who misplayed the position.
So I'm trying to see what went wrong for him.
For example, he could have been wrongly failing to apply your DMP rule in a situation where your DMP rule is better than a baguette with mature red Leicester cheese and sliced tomato.
Or he might not realise that making the 9 point is best at DMP.
Perhaps "If you know the DMP play is clear, make that play." But, if hardly anyone knows the DMP play, the advice has limited utility.
If you know next week's winning lottery numbers, you should play them.
PaulDid you know the dmp play or fail to think about it? (or both/neither?)
Stick
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